Thanks - just finding my way around Netflix. Seen Cowspiracy. I'm wary of these issue-docs as a source of fact, but they do at least entertain.
A litre lasts me about 5 days, and I don't want more than one carton open at a time. Oat pretty much does it all. The 'barista' and full fat versions taste pretty much like cream to me - especially in porridge and tea.
Yes, will do. The branded oat milk is quite pricey at £1.80/litre. Aldi's is not far off taste-wise at about 80p.
Looks good - I have to watch salt a little, but that's not too bad, especially for a dhal, which needs salt. I eat a lot of tinned green lentils. And I've been using that frozen mixed veg during lockdown but not overly fond. Spinach, sweetcorn, garlic and peas the only reliable frozen veg for me. And oven chips, natch.
Not a huge fan of Quorn except when it's been processed within an inch of its life - same with tofu :-)
Yup, closer inspection shows old 3 litre container did 40 washes while new 'concentrated' one allegedly does 50. But people always use more then they should .....
Was there anything in that that you thought weren't entirely feasible though that you can remember?
Yeah ... and I guess it's very difficult to 'highlight' stuff without it being seen as being counter something.
In this case it is of course, it's against the idea of wasting resources, against animal cruelty / exploitation and worldwide pollution. Any one of those would *normally* have people up in arms ...?
We seem to get though one of each over the same period or less.
Agreed, but I think it's a bit more expensive than Soy, depending where you go etc.
I really can't taste any 'oatyness in the oat version, but it is definitely 'richer' than the Soy (both unsweetened).
Pre lockdown we would often pick up a batch when we saw it at Sainbury's (typically Alpro) for £1 or less. As you Say, Aldi have it much cheaper but I think they all come in the same box so you have to sort though a bit (Almond / Soy / Oat?).
We like it. Daughter often pops things like that in our shopping order as she sees them and we give her a report as we use them.
She hadn't been to Tescos since lockdown but said that now the Vegan section is probably 3-4 times bigger than it was. ;-)
The good thing for Tescos (or any food retailer) is that it's not only Vegans that can eat it. ;-)
Ok. Not really had it in any form before (that I know of).
Why not OOI (and in comparison with what)?
Daughter bought us another bag of fresh carrots the other day and before we got round to using them they were mostly black? Previously I might have thrown such a thing away (if no one else wanted to do anything with them) but I scraped them clean, chopped them up and put them with some onion and potato in the soup maker.
For me it's all down to the convenience of having some (chunky or small) when I want it and not having to risk it going off and having to be thrown away.
We have that in frozen 'cones' and I'll often put it in stuff, simply because I know it's good for us.
We can't process that fully can we?
I rarely use that and have some powder if it's called for in a recipe. When we did have some fresh I might crush one bit up and put it in anyway.
The Mrs is a bit picky about her peas, preferring the very small / sweet ones over anything other.
I made some based on advice here and they worked out well. ;-)
Nor am I, 'as is' but then it's not particularly flavourful, it's all down to what it's in / with.
Not really got into Tofu yet. Daughter bought us a couple of boxes and I designed a press on my 3D printer, just not got round to printing it yet.
So, the biggest 'chunks' of plain Quorn are the mock chicken breasts and cut up a bit and done in a casserole or stew and given plenty of time to absorb the flavours of the stock, can be a very useable replacement for the protein bit of chicken (and without the chemicals). With the smaller chunks in the curry you don't really taste them (as I don't with real chicken) but the texture is moderately meat like.
Quorn isn't something I eat because I prefer it to meat, I eat it because I prefer to not kill animals and so find it a useable replacement. ;-)
The thing of course is 'food' and what each of us prefers is mostly a function of what we are used to, what (food) culture we were born into. Not so say we can't adapt, be it to not eating animals or eating curry or Pizza (rather than meat and two veg and fish and chips). ;-)
It was a fairly common thing for my Dad to go along the wet fish bar on a Saturday (not sure why Dad did that and Mum did all the other shopping) and buy pints of cockles, muscles, winkles, rollmops and other stuff that we would sometimes just have with vinegar and bread and butter? We all ate some because in those days you ate what you were given or go without but I can't say I really enjoyed any of it as such. ;-(
I think we have had a single jar of cockles in the cupboard for about
5 years now ... just not something either of us would ever feel like?
And before this fad it was called the fruit and veg section etc. Why is it necessary to make veg/vegan ingredients into veg burgers, veg sausages and veg bacon?
Not quite, because 1) it's not a fad [1], it's a whole load more and the things you typically see in such sections *aren't* fruit and veg (they are still there elsewhere).
It isn't, and they don't always, but there are several good reasons why they sometimes do. Here are a couple.
1) Familiarity of use. If they want to make more sales, then for some people, the only way they are likely to give it a try is if it looks familiar to them.
I have been given ingredients that I have no idea how to use (for example, a bag of frozen butternut squash. I don't actually like butternut squash so I've not tried to find out). ;-)
2) Familiarity of preparation. They may well give say a vegan 'sausage' (which for many people defines the shape rather than the content as such, they wouldn't naturally assume their 'pork sausage' contains pig lips and other such stuff etc) and so they could cook them in the same way (and often alongside) their conventional animal parts based offerings.
Cheers, T i m
[1] If you don't want to protect your health or the environment you live in then that's your call, but you *will* be part of it, like it or not as it *is* the way we will have to go as the world population increases.
You don't know whether it's a fad as you don't know how long it will last.
The reason is veg/vegans hanker after the "real thing". I'm quite prepared to eat a vegan meal, like vegetarian chilli (as an alternative to chilli con carne), spice dhal, lentil rice or ratatouille; but if I want a sausage I'll eat a proper meat sausage, and if I want a hamburger I'll eat one with meat in it. There's no reason I would do otherwise.
There's nothing unhealthy about a varied omnivore diet.
Either way, arable intensive farming is starting to destroy the soil structure in many places so as the world population increases the ability to feed everyone will diminish irrespective of being vegan or a meat eater and we will still be in the shit.
A short term solution may come from the insect world but eating insects wouldn't be Vegan.
Albeit only based on a limited sample of two Vegans I know, the cult doesn't seem to automatically lead to healthy living with chips and crisps being part of the diet.
It's going to last because our survival depends on it.
Ah, you are not including me here are you?
That's good of you. Doing something for your health (unless you *want* antibiotics, steroids and gawd knows what in your meal), the ozone layer and the environment as well, the place *you* live in as well.
Good for you? So, how you define a proper meat sausage?
Good for you. What percentage of the burger has to be meat for you and what purity? Would you care if it was horse rather than cow for example?
No, of course you wouldn't. Animals are there to be slaughtered and eaten aren't they (all of them potentially)? You are the top of the food chain, just because you have developed weapons and many animals are trusting and easy going. But try and walk a (vegetarian) gorilla to the slaughterhouse, I dare you. ;-)
Depending on the additional content of the food you mean? If us eating meat isn't good for us overall (ignoring the additives) then if your omnivore diet includes it then no, it's not good for you.
Why have we been told to 'cut back' on our meats, especially processed meats (more obvious additives and chemical processes) if they are good for us?
And this is against the backdrop of a *massive* industry who have a vested interest in pedaling this stuff (and doing *whatever* it takes to get the best yield, by exploiting the animals further and poisoning us (and polluting the atmosphere and environment) at the same time.
But it is increasing?
Cheers, T i m
'You say a vegan diet is 'extreme' but when I search for videos of your food being produced, I see 'Graphic Content' warnings'?
Quite ... I mean, what do people think the animals we rear for their flesh feed on? They eat the very vegetables we could eat ourselves and do so far more efficiently than using them as the middle man?
By having them in the cycle simply reduces our food efficiency.
If you assume the only way to get proteins was from animals and its not.
Try arm wrestling a Gorilla to learn just how much muscle you can build by just eating veg. ;-)
Again, you are conflating being a 'vegan' directly with 'healthy' and there is no such tie.
I enjoyed a big bag of Vegan kettle chips to myself yesterday but I'm under no delusion that they were good for me. They just didn't involve the exploitation of any animal.
So, if you took a good vegan diet and compared it with a good diet that included meat, the person not eating the meat would likely be healthier because of several factors. Not just the antibiotics and steroids you find in meat but the carcinogens that often appear when we cook meat to make it digestible.
Cheers, T i m
'I find the idea of not eating cows, pigs and chickens as easy as you find not eating cats and dogs'.
There have always been variants on foods, either because of cultural, seasonal or dietary reasons (to name just three) so to me, what I made was just as much a carbonara as what you might consider worthy of the tile, as I suspect would any other vegan / vegetarian / omnivore being presented with it as food, rather than some sort of test. ;-)
I don't bother asking the Mrs if she fancies a *Quorn* Chili or Spag Bol because we have used Quorn mince on those for a few years now. In fact, I don't believe we currently have any animal flesh in the fridge or freezer but we might have a leftover tin of non vegan stuff we will use up when convenient.
So if I was doing a 'chicken casserole' and assuming the packet mix was Vegan, then the Quorn would substitute the typical role of the chicken in that meal, not necessarily the taste or texture (or not identically). And that's fine by us because we are happy to accept that slight change for the wider benefits that creates (for everyone, apart for those who kill thousands of animals every day for a living possibly).
Carrots just replace sugar and probably became popular when there was a sugar shortage (WWII).
When available I buy a lot of sprouts despite having been put off eating them in my younger day when "cooked to death". They just need a very short time in boiling water.
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