New battery tech?

If you get a charging point installed on your property, the government pays 75% of the cost. That's then yours to use whenever needed.

As things currently stand, it would not make sense to get an EV unless your friend has space for his own charging point. If there's only one public charger in the neighbourhood, you couldn't rely on that for your daily commute.

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GB
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Hm.. train every ten minutes with 700 people on

~70 people a minute

so 70 cars a minute.

three lane motorway will easily have more than that.

The M6 handles 130000 cars,buses and lorries a day in each direction. That's a lot of trains call it 130 a day so one every 11 minutes all day.

Of course they all want to travel at the same rush hour so trains have

*no* chance of meeting demand when the roads are shut.
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dennis

Check again. My borough 104,000 households total charging points in the whole country 4316.

I havent seen any private chargers locally unless they hang a lead out of their window when I'm not looking.

Makes sense but two out of how many ?

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whisky-dave

Yes, that's 20 EVs per charging point.

It's currently not a practical proposition to have an EV unless you have off-road parking where you can have your own charging point.

Given that, the demand for public charging points in a shopping street is pretty limited. Still, it's cool to have a reserved parking spot.

50?
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GB

and there's no way trains will, replace trains, you want to get somewhere quick take a plane not a train, it'll be cheaper too.

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whisky-dave

Please show how you worked that out .

Which is a problem when living in inner cities isn't it.

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whisky-dave

Should have been "and there's no way trains will, replace planes,"

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whisky-dave

Ah. Right. The station in the UK all others are to be judged by.

Really? So all junctions are automatically busy at all times of the day?

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Dave Plowman (News)

And not surprisingly, the roads have a hard time coping when PT isn't running for whatever reason.

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Dave Plowman (News)

90,000/4316 = 20 approx.

So, people who live in inner cities can add lack of EVs to their other deprivations. They can add a lack of spaces to park their ICE cars, too.

At least, though, if everyone else went over to EVs, they wouldn't be choked by smog.

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GB

I only personally know of one with an electric car. Its a Smart make, and IIRC, no longer made. They have a newish apartment in Central London with an underground car park, and a charging point there. Makes a good deal of sense as a car for London only use.

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Dave Plowman (News)

They will save on space required between them when for the portion of those independent journeys that they are all going in the same direction for a distance and each individual car is closer than would be safe with manualy driven ones , no thinking time from human drivers though it could well seem strange to present drivers who on the whole get uncomfortable when people Tailgate. The gain would be by greater through put on roads so if those cars are not delayed by congestion that would have occured then they will have gained something . Now Hugh as given me the proper term have a read.

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Like much of the driverless car concept it may never come about or happen in a different way but it is one mode of operation that is being looked at.

G.Harman

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damduck-egg

You need to talk to my niece who travels regularly between the NE of Scotland and the London. Internal flights are simply too unreliable.

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Dave Plowman (News)

All fine until an artic crosses the central reservation and you discover you need the same stopping space as you did with a driver.

They are not a good idea whomever though it up.

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dennis

They appear to cope amazingly well when the trains/tube go on strike. They don't cope so well when its an unpredictable event. Must be people being sensible about when to travel during strikes, etc.

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dennis

I'm not sure that's logical. The overall traffic density will be the same, but it will be much more 'clumpy'. So, if we assume the artic will wipe out whatever's in its path, with the present system it will normally wipe out a couple of cars. With the new system, it will wipe out lots more cars if it hits a train. But there will be big gaps between trains, so there'll be a big chance of hitting nothing at all. Overall, it should even up. More or less.

Plus, if the lorry is computer controlled, it won't cross the reservation just because the driver falls asleep. Or rear-end a bunch of cars.

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GB

You have heard of Patrick's law?

Anyway what's the point of having these car trains if you don't increase road density?

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dennis

I'm suspecting that there will be a few stages ..

1) Autonomous control allowed

- Drivers of vehicles with the appropriate technology are allowed to engage "auto" mode, if they wish. Probably for some stretches of motorway. Obviously the vehicle will identify such roads itself (new roadsign + GPS ?), and have a config setting "automatically engage autonomous mode where allowed"

2) Autonomous mode mandatory

- roads that *only* allow autonomous vehicles. Probably more city-centres to start with, and slowly enlarged to include trunk routes and link up with the roads setup for (1) above.

This would reduce the pedestrian/vehicle interaction which worries some people. Bearing in mind that when pedestrians are stupid enough to go sightseeing on train tracks, we don't have any handwringing about how dangerous it is to allow trains on the rails. Nor do we have the legal wittering that the train manufacturer is liable ... even for trains which have no driver. And they've been around for years.

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Jethro_uk

I think the most efficient way would be to heat something up via the friction of the braking process (i.e. instead of generating electricity, directly generate heat).

Or fit a nuclear power plant, a la "The Martian" ?

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Jethro_uk

Are plug-in cars electric cars too. The there's the private charging points and it seems to include those that donlt charge for charging but count it as parking so charge for that. I doubt anyone I n ow would be willing to drive 2 miles to park for £3 .60 and leaving it for a few hours to charge.

t of their window when I'm not looking.

Yep so maybe they'll stick to fossil fuel cars.

why hasn't everyone else gone over to electric car ?

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whisky-dave

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