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He said this when he was nearly 90! He probably believed it was unlikely to have an effect on him in the rest of his lifetime.

He admitted in 1986 that passive smoking could cause lung cancer.

M.

Clutching at straws are we? He was still of sound mind at 90 and he didn't mean that. I heard the quote live on Radio 4. He was on Desert Island Discs.

He did? I'm unable to find that, no doubt you have a link?

Typical RASF. If all else fails make it up.

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I ain't entering the argument, you just made me curious and I found that there are lots of links, this being fairly representative:

It shouldn't be baffling anyone given it's said to be what the majority wanted. But the truth of the matter is the trade has suffered from the smoking ban.

My local was non smoking long before the ban. Others I frequented were very much less smoking than in previous years, the exception was teh smoking customer. One does have a heated patio, where I have occasionally seen a solitary smoker.

'action-oriented intelligence for managerial professionals' whatever that is.

Well I am!

Forest are hardly a disinterested group, being largely funded by the tobacco manufacturers.

So...

But I notice the other one - where he says "This is the first time there has been a formal evaluation by scientists that has concluded that involuntary smoking causes lung cancer" - is a year later.

I'm firmly free market here, completely unlike Blair's Britain with its authoritarian stance on practically anything. Restaurants were becoming no smoking before the politicians got involved; pubs mostly weren't. This is a reflection of consumer pressure.

Andy

Endorsed. No problem provided no dust. Has made a fortune for some folk and cost the country irrationally.

I'm not sure that you are right about this. A close relative of mine has approx. 10 pubs that are a complete mix between town centre, neighbourhood and country pubs. There has been a fall off in trade at some of the "working mens" town pubs whilst others in town centres have seen an increase in trade through the ban - though a change in customers so that Barrelage has declined though patrons use the pub throughout the day for feeding and dropping in for a wine/ cup of coffee. Yes, the market has changed but not sure yet whether there will be a longterm loss. I type as a smoker who visits pubs far less frequently as a result of the ban.

If you do a search you will find that one of the locations worst hit have been Bingo Halls and curiously cinemas that were just viable as a result of the attached Bingo Halls, mostly in small towns, though not all. Did you see the TV programme about "The Crinkles", not sure that was the right name but the elderly folk who had a hit with the Who tune which showed how the loss of a Bingo Hall was a sercious demise for folk who used as a social centre somewhere in the middle of London? Though I do not go to the cinema or have ever entered a Bingo Hall, I think that these are significant social losses.

Asbestos roofing sheets aren't that dangerous anyway - at least I hope not, having breathed loads of dust in while roofing garages (~3 / day for about a year)

Depends upon the type of asbestos! I'm still here, just short of my seventh decade having cut asbestos panles in my youth for fireproofing buildings with no dust protection. I do wheeze ocassionally but I put that down to age - I hope!

Most restaurants have been no smoking for years & I don't have a problem with that at all. I don't have a problem with legislation that gives people the choice & then makes sure its enforced.

But if I want a nanny I'll call Mary Poppins.

Did you have to? I now have visions of the film. How shall I get to sleep, you rotten fellow? :)

As I said -roofing sheets

I think that we can prolly do without another asbestos debate, though

Agreed, "Over and Out". ;)

Not a RASF Tim, a reasoned & well written post, for which I thank you, after the hysterical rantings of others.

I'm actually in favour of legislation to ensure that venues who choose to become no smoking have enforcement. Perhaps it could be similar to a license to sell alcohol.

I fully appreciate that many people dislike cigarette smoke and see no reason why they should have to put up with it.

It would be very simple to allow choice & apply legislation to enforce it.

My beef is that the current blanket ban doesn't allow any choice and the alleged health scares have been deliberately used to support a campaign to demonise & punish smokers without any scientific basis.

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You'll be up all night now :-)

How are you going to provide safe access for the disabled as required by law? Having breathing problems is a disability so you would have to break the disabilities act to have a smoking venue.

You keep saying that but disagree as soon as you want to smoke somewhere. Why do you feel the need to smoke all over the place?

They have, they have made it safe for non smokers to go into pubs, etc. They haven't stopped smokers going into them either.

You are a typical addict.. any evidence that goes against your drug is wrong. There is loads of evidence that smoking is harmful you just choose to ignore it.

There's also loads of evidence that alcohol harms many many people - more die from its effects each month than die in a year from heroin. Nor can you say it only effects the users - many city centres are near no go areas due to its abuse.

So I just hope as a likely boozer you'll be just as in favour of a similar restriction on that when it comes - as it will, given all government's love of control.