Jaguar Land Rover

[Chris Bartram]

Brilliant response.

It's true, whether you think so or not. JLR will, of course, understand where, say, their engine ECUs come from, obviously, but they don't know where (for example) the capacitors come from inside it, because that's the job of Bosch, Magnetti Marielli or whoever, or maybe even another sub level.

Things that are appear quite simple are often more complex than thay appear. Like, say, Brexit.

There's the problem. Many Brexiters think *exactly* that it is that simple, except of course they believe the reverse.

They thought that we could just tell Europe to f*ck off and we'd have an empire back, give the jerries a good kicking and Britain would be great again, and we'd all be home for sandwiches and ginger beer. paid for with the change from the £350 million we'd get from the side of as bus. We'd have no more Muslims, no east Europeans "stealing our jobs" etc, etc, etc and there would be no downside.

The EU has plenty of problems, but people were mis-sold Brexit as a win-win situation when it is increasingly clear that is not the case.

It's someone's job to manage their suppliers. In turn, that supplier manages theirs. They manage their parts of the chain and maintain multiple suppliers in case of a problem with one. It's not even just a job. There's degrees in it. I'm pretty sure you're educated to degree level: for a subject to have a degree course dedicated to it, I think you'd have to agree there has to be a certain depth of complexity?

Yes, the private sector is universally full of efficient, capable employees, no wasters at all. I've noticed that.

[tim...]

the same as they will impose on cars manufactured in rEU

that's the immutable rule.

If JLR don't know what tariffs will be imposed by ROW whilst manufacturing in the UK they wont know what tariffs are going to be imposed by ROW whilst manufacturing in rEU either.

and the good thing going forwards about being in an "independent" UK is that there is more chance of a trade deal lowering those tariffs by staying in the UK than by moving to the EU.

The ROW argument is completely irrelevant here, it's only the EU/UK mix that matters.

tim

[Tim Streater]

This is interesting but not relevant.

[dennis]

Yes they can. They can charge less than WTO if they want.

[dennis]

They will move if it is economic to do so.

Extra costs spent on the supply chain make it more likely to move. Grants from the EU to move jobs to the EU make it more likely to move. Therefore brexit makes it more likely to move.

UK government subsidise make it less likely to move.

So how much tax payers money are brexiteers prepared to give JLR to stay and for how long? Brexiteers must be true socialists as they want to spend other peoples money on saving themselves from the c*ck up.

[dennis]

That would be why business employ trouble shooters to find why the supply chain has broken! They wouldn't need to if someone understood it all would they?

[dennis]

I know of one place that put their bit of supply chain on white boards stuck to the wall of the warehouse. Its currently about 2 metres high and 120 metres long and they haven't finished.

[dennis]

Its not relevant to a brexiteer because they don't want it to be.

Reality is different.

[RJH]

Of course there's a trade arrangement - it isn't just a free flow of goods and services. For example:

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Thanks Chris. Put far more succinctly than I could. What is so sad is those who should know about such things, ie the Boris of this world, simply keep their heads in the sand and say it is beyond them.

We are in a global market. We should be trying to exploit that to our benefit where we can. Not trying to turn the clock back to before it existed. And in the same way as JLR needs its suppliers as sort of partners where both benefit, so does the UK.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

+1. We are a tiny market compared to the EU. Even although an important one within it. The idea we can 'beat' the EU at its own game just a dream of stupid old men.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

On a simple choice, yes. Which is why Brexiteers had to fudge the issue with emotive things like sovereignty and secure borders and so on. When even they are now admitting it meant precisely zero, in terms of what the man in the street understood by them.

But not those in parliament who are opposing a practical deal. They - the likes of Rees Mogg - don't give a toss for how many UK jobs might be lost.

Then, pray tell, why aren't you listening to the bosses of such industries? Is it some form of death wish?

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Really? Both the US and China seem to be sprinkling around tariffs willy nilly. Not heard much from the WTO about those, have we?

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Odd the way secure borders were oh so relevant to Brexiteers just a few weeks ago. Now apparently they're not. Any goods will be able to move as freely once out of the EU as before. Even with a hard Brexit.

Of course the EU might actually have something to say about that. I doubt they want stuff from an unregulated UK being allowed free access to them.

[Andy Burns]

[whisky-dave]

I'm not certain the Brexiteers wanted the borders closed to goods, they see med to want immagration controlled, not stoped or halted like remoaners hav e claimed.

I don't remmeber any protests at boarders about stopping wine or cheese com ing to the UK, I DO rememeber the French burning british sheep.

What makes you think the UK is unregulated ?

There was a recent claim by animal rights activists that T. May said she d idn't think animals felt pain, and that's why the UK rejected the 'law' as we already had a law which prevents cruelty like drugging bulls and allowin g sportsman to throw spears at them, and foregra or whatever it;s called wh ere you false feed birds so some of their organs expand and that become a f rench delacacy , totaly OK perhaps because the EU doesn't think birds or bu lls are sentient animals.

So I;m not sure how the EU can be considered better for animals than the UK .

[critcher]

freezer no good when electricity goes off.

[RJH]

Ha - good luck with that.

[Andy Burns]

Laws against murder don't prevent murder, but what else can you do?

[RJH]

They don't - but the consequences of non-compliance if you're caught are pretty dire. Unlike playing fast/loose with WTO guidelines if you're the US . . .