Got the cat!

I guess it is because of the software you are using, or the way it is configured, but when I read your responses it never shows what you are replying to as quoted text, you just insert a row of equals signs. Is this what you intend?

Chris

This is the source of the quoting problem. Microsoft email products typically do not have "proper" support for USENET.

Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 <===

You could try some tests on alt.test with a solution like this, and see if it's compliant or not. The person here made a solution for WLM.

If you place your input after an improperly handled sig delimiter, it might not be seen by another poster. When they try to reply to your post, your content gets cut off.

Even if you don't post with a second USENET client, you can use a second USENET client for read-only examination of what the posts look like. For example, Thunderbird could do proof reading for you (to verify quoting).

And your AVG sig, inserted by the AVG software, is similar to what's happening right now to the poster Commander Kinsey.

That AVG software is a nightmare, it gets into everything. If you reinstall AVG, it's likely to turn on the .sig injection feature again, and needs to be adjusted after every AVG burp.

It's a lot of work, to force Windows Live Mail to work properly. Or Outlook Express for that matter. The closest you might get, is using Windows Mail from Vista, it was a tiny bit better. There is a procedure for moving Windows Mail from Vista to the next OS (the procedure is messy at best). I don't know how many later OSes, support a "moved" Windows Mail.

Microsoft products ? In this particular area (USENET), just say no. They're not worth the aggravation.

Paul

Vicious circle though? Do you think a dog trainer would have done that?

What do the dog trainers do first under such circumstances, take it for a long walk and wear it out.

They are, but they are also trainable.

Quite.

;-)

That can generally be undone.

You see these dog whisperers on TV when a family have had an out-of-control dog for several years. They come in, apply good dog behaviour psychology and lo-and-behold, it's a different dog. ;-)

As I mentioned, it has taken two of us (daughter and I) constantly working on our rescue terrier for over a year now to turn him round to the degree we have.

Cheers, T i m

p.s. One of the first things we did was to get him to return on the whistle. This means we shouldn't lose him if he should run off and not hear us calling. Two peeps on a high pitched whistle (we have several, all tuned to the same pitch) means 'Come for a nice treat' (and it had to be a 'nice' treat, like a bit of sausage or chicken).

The other day we were transferring the dog over to daughter and I was still sitting in our car and she was out on the pavement with said dog on an extending lead. I wanted to indicate to daughter I'd taken the whistle, off one of the leads and put it on a lanyard round my neck. She couldn't see what I was showing her because of the light so I blew it a couple of times. Dog was in my car like a shot (even those he was with No1 master), looking for his treat (which I had to give him of course). ;-)

p.p.s. Training him to do 'tricks' is actually quite easy. Sit, down, left paw, right paw, 'seek' (hidden treats) etc. It took two sausages cut up to train him to press a reception bell with his paw. ;-)

Training him to be obedient was more difficult, especially if he was being distracted by another dog or a cyclist, jogger or anything he wasn't sure about. Hover, constant 'stress avoidance', giving him treats as we had spotted what would was likely to find a stressful situation, *before* got into that zone was key. This progressed right up to having him sit next to a stranger dog whilst giving both dogs treats (with the owners permission) was the fruits of our labour. Positive behaviour reinforcement or some such. ;-)

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Wow I am very impressed:))) Well done!

I wouldn't know where to begin! We always take rescues and have never had any problems. Lots of treats, yes. but I think mostly lots of affection.

Our currents dog can't bear to be away from us. If we are in different rooms she dashes from one to the other until she gets tired and then she lies down in a position where she can (hopefully) keep an eye on both doors:))

Training her? LOL not a hope:))

This is the source of the quoting problem. Microsoft email products typically do not have "proper" support for USENET.

Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 <===

You could try some tests on alt.test with a solution like this, and see if it's compliant or not. The person here made a solution for WLM.

If you place your input after an improperly handled sig delimiter, it might not be seen by another poster. When they try to reply to your post, your content gets cut off.

Even if you don't post with a second USENET client, you can use a second USENET client for read-only examination of what the posts look like. For example, Thunderbird could do proof reading for you (to verify quoting).

And your AVG sig, inserted by the AVG software, is similar to what's happening right now to the poster Commander Kinsey.

That AVG software is a nightmare, it gets into everything. If you reinstall AVG, it's likely to turn on the .sig injection feature again, and needs to be adjusted after every AVG burp.

It's a lot of work, to force Windows Live Mail to work properly. Or Outlook Express for that matter. The closest you might get, is using Windows Mail from Vista, it was a tiny bit better. There is a procedure for moving Windows Mail from Vista to the next OS (the procedure is messy at best). I don't know how many later OSes, support a "moved" Windows Mail.

Microsoft products ? In this particular area (USENET), just say no. They're not worth the aggravation.

Paul

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Many thanks, Paul! I will get my husband to have a look (I am not very technical) :)

are there really not "rescue centres" near to you?

tim

I can't see many rescue centres having a Maine Coon kitten awaiting re-homing.

In our case, we did look at rescue centres and gave up due to the number of restrictions they had ... "too close to a main road", despite it being further than most female cats will roam; "young children", we'd had a cat before, when they were even younger (the cat was here first) and they and he had got on fine together - unfortunately he had to be put down due to an inoperable tumour; there were more, but I can't remember them now.

SteveW

Cats should be in lockdown :-)

Have you tried keeping an outdoor cat inside? You open a door to walk through and a streak of lightning passes you by; the weather is hot so you open a window and they treat it as another cat-flap - even if it is an upstairs window in some cases.

It's easy with one that has never been outside, as they are hesitant about crossing the threshold and you have time to stop them.

SteveW

are there really not "rescue centres" near to you?

tim

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Just been hearing on the radio! Some rotten B******S are taking rescue JUST FOR THE LOCKDOWN!!!!!

What are they going to do after that? Boot them out? Try to return them to the rescue centres???

I hope they rot in hell.

are there really not "rescue centres" near to you?

tim

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Just been hearing on the radio! Some rotten B******S are taking rescues JUST FOR THE LOCKDOWN!!!!!

What are they going to do after that? Boot them out? Try to return them to the rescue centres???

What if the dog/cat learns to love them and feel at home and safe?

I hope they rot in hell.

are there really not "rescue centres" near to you?

tim

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Just been hearing on the radio! Some rotten B******S are taking rescues JUST FOR THE LOCKDOWN!!!!!

What are they going to do after that? Boot them out? Try to return them to the rescue centres???

What if the dog/cat learns to love them and feel at home and safe?

I hope they rot in hell.

OOOOPS SORRY

I have owned several. I know about cats. My post was partly in jest, partly to point out that at least some members of the wider cat family seem to be able to get COVID-19, surprisingly.

Thanks. We look upon it as 'doing our bit', taking on a rescue animal.

Basically, our daughter works for the LA and a backup role is 'Dog Warden'. They collect strays, shovel up dead animals and take the injured / sick to the vets etc. She actually collected this particular dog and once they discovered it wasn't chipped and obviously not particularly well looked after (or had been 'stray' for a while) and long short, she claimed him as her own. Chipped, teeth cleaned, washed and groomed and signed up for full insurance and medical plan, he seemed to come along just in time and helped all of us though the death of my stepdaughter (cancer, 39), especially my Mrs (her Mum). Whilst I had (3) dogs when she met me, she wasn't particularly close to them but she feels this particular terrier has 'human eyes' and seems to sense the pain and offer any comfort he can.

You just have to start somewhere. Having a very long term exposure to all sorts of animals helped, also respecting them and knowing what might wind them up or confuse etc. Thinking what they might be thinking. [1]

As do we (as an extended family), and nothing much outside standard house training and recall etc. This one had obviously not had an easy life and at 5 years old (according to the vet) took a bit of time to undo all the bad stuff.

Oh, absolutely. You get back out what you put in.

Yup, 'separation anxiety' is a very powerful emotion for them.

Aww bless.

This terrier is very much like that. Whatever pack he is with (Master (our daughter), and deceased stepdaughters daughter) or us (Nan and Grandad) he has to know where we all are.

If I leave the house to go to the car [1] and back he greets me like I'd been away for years. ;-)

Training that out of her is possible but not necessary if you are generally all together and she's not overly stressed over it. She's only looking after her pack after all. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

Now, if I walk out the house and leave the front door open and don't actually call him (or put his lead on), he just sits or stands by the step and waits to be summoned. Basic stuff for most dogs and especially if you have them from puppies but not always so when they are older and have an unknown background.

I think they can 'sense' more than we understand.

Thanks. We look upon it as 'doing our bit', taking on a rescue animal.

Basically, our daughter works for the LA and a backup role is 'Dog Warden'. They collect strays, shovel up dead animals and take the injured / sick to the vets etc. She actually collected this particular dog and once they discovered it wasn't chipped and obviously not particularly well looked after (or had been 'stray' for a while) and long short, she claimed him as her own. Chipped, teeth cleaned, washed and groomed and signed up for full insurance and medical plan, he seemed to come along just in time and helped all of us though the death of my stepdaughter (cancer, 39), especially my Mrs (her Mum). Whilst I had (3) dogs when she met me, she wasn't particularly close to them but she feels this particular terrier has 'human eyes' and seems to sense the pain and offer any comfort he can.

You just have to start somewhere. Having a very long term exposure to all sorts of animals helped, also respecting them and knowing what might wind them up or confuse etc. Thinking what they might be thinking. [1]

As do we (as an extended family), and nothing much outside standard house training and recall etc. This one had obviously not had an easy life and at 5 years old (according to the vet) took a bit of time to undo all the bad stuff.

Oh, absolutely. You get back out what you put in.

Yup, 'separation anxiety' is a very powerful emotion for them.

Aww bless.

This terrier is very much like that. Whatever pack he is with (Master (our daughter), and deceased stepdaughters daughter) or us (Nan and Grandad) he has to know where we all are.

If I leave the house to go to the car [1] and back he greets me like I'd been away for years. ;-)

Training that out of her is possible but not necessary if you are generally all together and she's not overly stressed over it. She's only looking after her pack after all. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

Now, if I walk out the house and leave the front door open and don't actually call him (or put his lead on), he just sits or stands by the step and waits to be summoned. Basic stuff for most dogs and especially if you have them from puppies but not always so when they are older and have an unknown background.

LOL they are not daft:) I think once they get to know and trust you they will know what chances they can take:))))

Our girl is our alarm!! Anyone at the door, in or near our garden ... she goes berserk and boy, does she have a good bark on her:)))

She can't stand other dogs or cats. She pretends to go for them and she is hilarious with cats. She shouts and runs, but if that cat sits and looks at her she screeches to and halt and runs to hide behind my legs:)))

She didn't have a good start! She was found in a house with 42 dogs and 2 cats. The woman who had them had died. You can imagine the racket. The police broke in. Many had died:( She'd had pups but none to be found. They had been eaten. I know people want to help animals and I am sure she had the best of intention but .... Any way the Dog's Trust took their allocation and put her on their site. I was still grieving for my last dog and I thought I would wait! So why was I looking on the site you may ask .... anyway I saw this wee very skinny dog .....

I think they can 'sense' more than we understand.

LOL I love it:))))) They *know* more than we give them them credit for:))

It is really quite easy, if somewhat expensive. You build a cat proof perimeter fence just as you would have to if you kept any other harmful carnivore.

I note at least one domestic cat has tested positive for Covid-19. Since we do not know how many (or few) have been tested it remains possible that cat to cat transmission is a major factor in the present outbreak. It is a bit futile keeping in one's house if one's domestic pet is going to bring the infection in.

Just because many cat-lovers would not like this to be true doesn't mean it isn't.

Quite. But do not forget, oh wise one, the cat will have been infected by a human. You would not like this to be true, doesn't mean it isn't.

I wouldn't be surprised.

Daughter collected a stray Akita, scanned it and found it was chipped. Called the number registered, the owner answered, they explained the dog had been found and was well and safe and where to collect it they said 'Keep it'. Apparently it was a beautiful temperament dog in good condition and worth a thousand pounds or more!

I believe, after the two week wait, one of the Council workers gave it a good home.

Quite.

Unfortunately, you will find that many people are very confused re their attitudes towards animals. They will spend *thousands* of pounds keeping their aged pet alive whilst at the same time tucking into a steak, escargot or Foie gras (or 'Fat Liver' as it is translated). The only way they can do that is because a perfectly healthy and often young animal has been bred, kept and slaughtered or been exploited in some other way.

I find it difficult to understand this disconnect for supposedly caring but only for a sub set of animals?

Like it's ok to kill and eat a baby sheep but not a baby dog? OK, I know they do such things in other countries / cultures but this is a UK newsgroup so ...

It's like the story of the 3 legged pig.

'Our farm house caught fire and the pig came in, woke us up and we were all able to get out alive'.

Oh, so is that how it lost it's leg, in the fire? ;-(

No, you can't eat a good pig like that all at once can you?

This really seems to show just how little respect some people have towards some animals?

Cheers, T i m

There are some people who I have no respect for and I do respect all animals above them.

HTH a little

It is really quite easy, if somewhat expensive. You build a cat proof perimeter fence just as you would have to if you kept any other harmful carnivore.

I note at least one domestic cat has tested positive for Covid-19. Since we do not know how many (or few) have been tested it remains possible that cat to cat transmission is a major factor in the present outbreak. It is a bit futile keeping in one's house if one's domestic pet is going to bring the infection in.

Just because many cat-lovers would not like this to be true doesn't mean it isn't.

Roger Hayter

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I am so thrilled you got the baby you wanted:))))) I am getting confused as to who got the wee soul:))

Sh/he is very very lucky:)))))