FreeSat.

[charles]

It's the only way I can watch BBC Scotland, here in Surrey

[Andrew]

Haven't you 'integrated' yet then ? :-)

[The Natural Philosopher]

God why would you want to?

[Richard]

Why shouldn't he?

[charles]

Intergrated what?

[charles]

because there arecsome programmes which I want to watch.

[tim...]

The majority of fringe channels do not have a catch up service

a PVR is essential for time-shifting such channels

[tim...]

with your Humax what?

I've no idea what this freesat app is, but (assuming that it actually does something unique to freesat) it cannot possibly work without a device capable of receiving a satellite stream

[SH]

I see that Freesat box is 4k capable.... which obviously needs a HDMI connectino to a 4K capabale TV set....

But...... are there any 4K freesat TV channels yet? I know there are some on Sky but that is on a subscription?

[NY]

There are a few demo channels on 12441 MHz V: "Astra UHD Demo" SID 7401 and "SES UHD Demo" SID 7402. Those are free-to-air and unencrypted. The picture quality is impressive.

[Andrew]

For those rare occasions when they they broadcast something of interest. Apart from ITV4 during the summer, I cannot think of much that isn't already a repeat of something previously shown on BBC1/2/3/4, ITV,C4

[Andrew]

he can watch the BBC Scotland gardening program on BBC1,2 at about

9AM on Sunday, after another BBC Scotland program which seems to be their version of Countryfile

[SH]

but they are not viewable via the Freesat EPG though?

Obviously accessible if you put the box into non-freesat mode?

[JNugent]

That is certainly my impression.

It's hard to see how any time-shifting would be possible on a TV with a satellite tuner (unless it will record onto a USB-linked drive, as some TVs now do).

BUT... perhaps it's a bit like the situation when the VCR first came along. You could watch live TV on the TV set, or through the VCR's tuner. And you could watch recordings played back on the VCR.

I suppose a satellite tuner on the TV, coupled with a hard-drive equipped satellite box (of the Sky+ or analogous Freesat type) brongs us back to a modern version of the TV+VCR.

[JNugent]

Correct.

But that doesn't mean you wouldn't want to record from the channel. We had Forces TV set to record recent repeats of "Goodnight Sweetheart" and "Home To Roost".

[williamwright]

They were happy fun-filled days.

Bill

[williamwright]

Maybe you need a bigger aerial.

Bill

[williamwright]

That's the trouble with these bloody immigrants. They cling to their old ways.

Bill

[Dave Plowman (News]

I'm well out of my depth here.

Set gives you the choice of FreeSat or other. The FreeSat mode has no choices or settings - just tune. Doesn't even show signal strength. And finds nothing. Takes about 1/2hr to tune too.

The 'other' is much like the menu on my satellite STB. Allows you to select the satellites you want, etc.

With only Astra 28 selected, it shows 100% both signal and quality. You can select the test frequency so I selected 10773H which includes BBC1 London, and that shows 100/100. I can step the dish 5 steps either side before losing the signal.

Do an autotune, and I get about 1000 channels. All German or French.

I've tried manually adding the transponders given in the FreeSat list, but it says already present.

DisEQ is off.

[Andy Burns]

Sounds like in freesat mode it is filtering out channels that don't match your postcode, you said it didn't have any postcode entered? Did it ask for one when first out of box, or after a factory reset?

My linux box with DVB-S2 tuner takes about that long to scan all transponders, given a "seed" transponder and learning the rest from the SI tables it sees.