EU survey on appliances and right to repair

On Thu, 17 May 2018 10:56:40 +0100, tony sayer wrote= :

It all depends if you're going to do that kind of work again. Let's say= you build a small retaining wall for a raised flowerbed and you'll neve= r do bricklaying again in your entire life. Why buy an expensive cement= mixer?

And normal plugs are fine too, I really don't have a problem wiring a ma= ins plug. They're so simple in comparison with other connectors for dat= a etc.

Pay more just so the wire doesn't break? Anyway, nothing can prevent da= mage due to a mistake. What if you damage the middle of the wire by rub= bing it against some brickwork? What if a cat chews it?

Really? Those are usually hard wired or use figure of 8 connectors. Yo= u don't need a 10 amp connector for a stereo. Or are you talking PA sys= tems or big Marshall amps for stage use?

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Why isn't there mouse-flavored cat food?

More like to get the muscles strong enough. The actual brainpower of doing it is minimal.

ing to use once when the £20 one will last long enough.

If that's the case then why bother, but usualy that is not the case.

No it takes longer to put one of those on I have some here as we don't like the students using 2 pin adapters.

anged the wire on my vacuum cleaner because I yanked it.

Not everyone yanks it .

No, I have 22 soldering irons, 35 bench PSUs , 50+ scopes in fact most of o ur lab equipment and half the PC monitors use IEC cables, which arren;t teh same as kettle leads but similar enough that if I do have a kettle lead I can use it as an IEC lead, but I can;t use an IEC lead in a kettle, ell the ones I have here anyway.

Mostly H&S and convienience, if you buy something like an electrical applia nce why have the hassle of buying it then having to search around for a lea d or have to make one ?

Not that long after we decided that rather than have everyone running aroun d chasing rabbits or shooting other wildlife, having to de-fur or de-feathe r it then cook it, some genious thought why don;t we have people that do ce rtain things for us like catch and kill and butcher the animals, we also ha d the idea that pershaps it;d be better if we didn;t all spend time hunting ort gathering or making clothes but have a more structured and successful society where we swap tasks.

Not for most, most don;t have wore cutters or strippers.

then why did we invent any other form of transport.

Well there's a suprise.

TVs aren't normally classed as power tools did you not know that.

But with most tools normal poeple have extention leads, we don't have to ke ep replacing cables because they aren't long enough. As for TV well the leads aren't very long anyway because most TVs are going to near a power socket of some sort.

ation were thick as f*ck? Wiring a plug has to be one of the simplest task s we do in life, perhaps after learning how to walk.

For some it takes longer because they can't work out where their feet are a nd tend to trip quite a lot, some have problems knowning their hieght so hi t their head on the tops of cupboards and the like, apparently they are co nfused where their eyes are and they start to believe their eyes aren't on their head where they expect them to be.

But most seem to manage such things, others well ;-)

Most decent Hi-Fi etc uses an IEC mains connector.

Bullshit, I've seen plenty stereos for =A3200 ish, so not cheap s*it, th= at are hard wired. In fact they all were except maybe one or two with a= figure of 8 connector. It's utterly pointless using an IEC when the sy= stem only draws an amp.

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Well I've done quite a bit over time and the electric mixer bought around 1978 is still going well when required:)

No need to and what if you need to return the equipment if faulty do you expect any retailers to take back a unit with a chopped about mains lead especially a captive one connected to the appliance?.

Nope , its just an excellent vacuum cleaner and works very well:)..

No. I'm not that ham fisted and careless.

It would proscribe an arc on the end of my foot but so far old tiddle's has avoided that as he's not a vandal the only things he damages are mice!

Nope in this room computer has one monitor amp and CD player and tuner all have the tape machine has one to.

Shedder has a moulded on 13 amp plug then the two radios have wall warts!.

Also in my car there is a briefcase with a laptop therein c/w charger that has a mini 3 Pin IEC type can't remember the designation off the top of my head now..

You might just read up on the benefits of earthing sound equipment.

My non-earthed sound equipment works perfectly. Why fix what isn't brok= en?

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A brief survey of my hi-fi rack shows: power-amp (IEC), pre-amp (IEC - in and out), CD player (IEC), tuner (figure of 8), streaming music player (hard-wired).

So a mojority vote for IEC from me :)

SteveW

I'm sure your 200 quid system is just perfect.

What models?

Why would anyone spend over =A3200 on something that only produces sound= ? TVs and computers get the big bucks spent, they make pictures too. A= nd yes, I get excellent sound from my =A3200 system. And it's loud enou= gh to be heard in the garden when the double glazing is closed.

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My Technics separates system from the mid 1980s has a mixture: figure-of-8 for the amplifier's connection to the wall; IEC output (*) from amp to turntable; each device has IEC input and figure-of-8 output to next device (CD, graphic equaliser, tuner) with the mains being daisy-chained from one to the next, and a proprietary miniature 3-pin connector (like a USB header connection onto a PC motherboard) for low-voltage power to cassette deck. I haven't a clue why they chose to make most of the devices mains-powered but the cassette DC-powered from a PSU in the amplifier. There are a lot of IEC-to-figure-of-8 cables!

(*) Two-pin: live and neutral but no earth pin

Strange. If they've adopted figure of 8, why bother with the larger IEC stuff that simply isn't required for a low current device.

Because it produces better quality sound. Simples.

Yeah right, you'll be telling me LPs are better than CDs next.

Explain this to me, why on earth would an IEC connector improve sound? = You get better sound with a better amplifier and better speakers, not IE= C connectors and gold RCA jacks. You really are gullible.

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Yes, I'd expect them to standardise on one connector for all the mains, rather than IEC output and figure of 8 input to the next item in the daisy chain.

There's also a control bus - daisy-chained cables with 3.5 mm jacks on each end so the source-input switches on the amp can turn on/off CD, tape or turntable - if a tape, CD or LP is playing, pressing a different input will stop the device that was previously playing (*) and maybe start the new device playing.

Or something like that. It's been a while since I've connected it up and used it. After moving to a temporary house, it's sitting, unconnected, on a shelf until we find and move into a new house. As with so many things, there are parts of it such as cassette and turntable that I've not used for ages, and even CDs can be played more easily from a PC drive or from iTunes, having copied them from CD. On the other hand, the PC sound card isn't as good an amp as the Technics one, even if I mainly listen on headphones these days.

(*) Lifting the turntable arm and returning it to rest position.