EU survey on appliances and right to repair

[Jimmy Wilkinson Knife]

It depends how old tha appliance is. LED backlights have only just come out on larger stuff. Perhaps the little screens on satnavs have had them longer.

[Roger Hayter]

Ok, yes, but I was going back to the original mention of thermionic, I didn' t realise you were specifically replying to Tabbypurr. I see what you mean now. And I do wonder why I think a voltage regulator in a B7G glass envelope *is* a valve but a relay or a crystal in the same package is not. Probably because I'm wrong.

[Andrew]

Our local recycling centre has a huge pile of 'dead' TVs, but they don't all seem to be the same make, nor the same size, mostly just 'obselete'.

[Max Demian]

Panasonic DVD/HDD recorder, bought last year, manual dated 2015.

Before that, Humax HDR-Fox T2 PVR, bought 2014, came out in 2010.

Do what?

[Andrew]

Built using higher spec components with a better rating.

My next TV will be a 43 inch IPS PC monitor and my Humax HD stb will provide the picture signal, with sound via my Amptastic Mini 1 amp.

My existing Hazro IPS monitor is 10 years old and going fine as a 'TV' but a bit too small.

[Andrew]

Do you live in a caravan, powered by a gen-set or inverter connected to a battery ?.

[Jimmy Wilkinson Knife]

It's funny how I see tube TVs still going after 15 years of use, yet LCD ones die in 5 years. I guess they just make the more precisely to the warranty period.

[Jimmy Wilkinson Knife]

No, why would that cause the LCD film to peel?

[Max Demian]

The latter wasn't mentioned by 'tabbypurr' in "Most people own or use a thermionic valve based appliance today."

Anyway, nowadays, s/warm/boot/

[Andrew]

My LCD Sony TV lasted 13 years. My Hazro(*) IPS LCD monitor is 10 years old, is used many hours per day and seems fine.

(*) Made in the UK, apart from the panel.

If people read the instructions re positioning and airflow their TVs might last longer than 4 years.

I even saw the pictures of a football 'celeb's London mansion, with the flat screen TV mounted about 18 inches above a massive 'hole in the wall' gas fire.

some people need rescuing from their own pathologic stupidity

[Andrew]

damp, humidity, black mould.

[Jimmy Wilkinson Knife]

None of the failed TVs I've seen are positioned as such. Some were used several hours a day though, which is reasonable for a family TV.

Tube TVs just didn't fall to bits like the modern shit.

[Jimmy Wilkinson Knife]

And how would an inverter cause this?

[The Natural Philosopher]

The orignal 'thermionic valve' was a device that regulated current in some way. And whose *primary* PURPOSE was to do that. Magnetrons and vacuum tube displays to not have current as output, but microwaves and light. So too does a CRT. So I dont class them as thermionic valves, and thermionic means ions and a hot cathode so not relays in valve holders either.

[Steve Walker]

Our 40" Toshiba, that we bought about years ago, has recently gone to the "tip." I did strip it down first and found that it was the backlight that had gone. Unfortunately it consisted on 5 rows of 2 strips with 5 extremely bright triple, encapsulated LEDs on each strip. Five of the strips had 2 of the 5 triples failed (causing the controller to shutdown). New strips are £25 each, so I decided that £125 + postage to fix a 5-year old TV, wasn't worth it against £300 for a new 43" 4K one.

SteveW

[Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp]

Quite long, doesn't a microwave add 30 secs to the cook time from a cold start.

The warmup time is so long that Bill gates was totally beaten and never produced a microwave oven version of Windoze.

It's certainly thermionic, it has a magnetron with a heater and cathode.

AB

[Andrew]

If they were dual standard they certainly did.

In Russia, CRT tvs were a major cause of domestic fires.

[Andrew]

What was her name ?.

[Jimmy Wilkinson Knife]

Dual standard?

Not in the UK. There are many people still using them, yet they haven't been on sale for a decade.

[Steve Walker]

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