Door bell query

Aug 22, 2024 Last reply: 1 year ago 13 Replies

We have a mains powered Friedland door bell, bell in the hall, push beside the front door. Was here when we arrived 22 years ago (today!) and has always just worked until a couple of days ago when it stopped working.



First thought was a fuse, so checked all 20 fuses, but all OK. The bell has a battery option, so inserted a couple of batteries, still no bell.



Today I removed the bell push outside the door, shorted the terminals, nothing.



Removed the bell from the wall, all looks clean and tiny inside, wife outside pushing the button, me fiddling with the bell, and suddenly it started working again. All connections are good, clean and tight, so put it all back together and it continues to work.



There must, I assume, be a transformer somewhere, reducing the voltage from mains to 3v, but where? The wiring to the bell and the push button are both typical twin white bell wire, so only carrying 3v (I hope). The wire to the bell disappears into a hole in the wall, and I think goes upwards, so there must be a junction, probably with the transformer, under the floorboards upstairs.



I', not going to start lifting random floorboards while the bell is still working, but wonder whether it is normal to have a transformer tucked under floorboards somewhere.


My transformer is located next to the consumer unit, under the floor sounds like a potential fire hazard so worth tracking if you can.

Typical bell wire is often solid core. The switch is beside the door, so presumably there is no wire movement, but heat and vibration over a long period may have broken it, possibly near the bell itself as it recovered when that was moved.

In message snipped-for-privacy@news.individual.net>, Jeff Gaines snipped-for-privacy@outlook.com writes

Quite right. Further searching has found it in the meter cupboard. Clearly marked Friedland and with bell wire disappearing into the wall.

Not obvious because our meter cupboard is like something out of Mission Control packed full of stuff, not least being twenty fuses, all using proper fuse wire. One board of 8, another of 6, then 4 and 2.

In message snipped-for-privacy@jrenewsid.jretrading.com>, Joe snipped-for-privacy@jretrading.com writes

Yes, it is solid core and yes, I had the same thought myself after posting. I'll have another fiddle, to try and isolate where the break may be.

In message snipped-for-privacy@binnsroad.myzen.co.uk>, Graeme snipped-for-privacy@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes

That's where mine is. I found it when I was doing some re-wiring.

Brian

For a bit of fun if you have a smart meter with an IHD you might like to see how much power it’s drawing all the time. I imagine it’s warm to touch. Some of these old transformers draw a significant amount of power 24/7.

Obviously one man’s “significant” is another man’s “inconsequential” but it would be good to know what it’s consuming.

Tim

Along the same lines, electronic bits powered from the mains directly, like wireless doorbell chimes and 'smart' power switches, will normally draw a quiescent power of 1-3W. Using a remote power switch to 'turn off your TV at the mains instead of leaving it in standby' might save no power at all.

Depends on who built the system

I have a 22 year old solid state mains to 12V dimmable lighting transformer built into a partition wall.....

We have a Friedland bell. It was here when we bought the house in 1997. It is battery powered, 4 D cells. I’ve never needed to replace them. True, I fitted a Video bell a couple of years back but I left the old bell etc in place as a back up and some people still use it.

27 years for a set of batteries isn’t bad. No sign of leaking etc.

I think an old fashioned doorbell driven by batteries is one of relatively rare occasions when batteries make more sense than a mains power supply for a non-portable device.

Tim

When we redecorated the hall recently, I ran some wires through the wall into the garage with the idea of adding an interface so I could make the bell work with the Eufy video bell ( as is, they aren’t compatible) and that will include a mains supply. The project is about 998 on my wife’s list of job’s for me to do.

She lets the list get that long?

Does she have a sister :-)

She just adds to its quickly.

One of a kind.

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