The EU Parliament. The only parliament t in the world where the majority of the legislation isn't initiated or repealed solely in the interests of big business, or newspaper proprietors; regardless of whichever party happens to be in power.
michael adams
(Somebody capable of thinking for themselves rather than simply repeating phrases parrot fashion as concocted by idiots )
Oh dear.
It looks like our Wodney suceeded in fooling somebody else there, for a bit.
michael adams
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ITYM a wurzel
'Use', I'd say Mint is probably *as* easy to *use* as XP, *as long* as you don't have too much experience of the OS itself and expect to see drive letters etc?
But 'using' the OS's isn't normally where the problems arise, it's dealing with things when they go wrong or don't work in the first place (like say adding a printer or running a particular piece of software etc).
With the vast majority of desktop users running Windows, and many windows versions being based on their predecessors, more people are familiar with and therefore able to fix, or get help fixing Windows issues than they might with Linux issues.
So, the 'stock answer' to that from the Linux geeks is to do what they did (ignoring your skills and interests are likely to be completely different to theirs) and 'learn Linux', like you ever bothered to (specifically) 'Learn Windows' or 'Learn OSX' etc.
However, as Linux (Mint etc) gradually evolves to be at least as admin-user friendly as XP, with it's 'Control Panel' and 'Driver manager' applets and other wizards, I'm hoping that Linux really will be an option to more 'ordinary users', assuming there isn't some other deal-breaker that prevents them doing so (and unfortunately, there often is, even if only iTunes or some game etc).
IMHO, Linux is only a viable *alternative* to Windows if:
You have an issue with MS
You need an OS for free (of cost, few care about any other form of free ITRW, and don't have a valid Windows COA on the machine you have / were given (most have)). You are lucky enough to have 'Linux compatible' hardware (few are going to go out and buy such hardware specifically).
You are lucky enough to not *need* 'Windows only' programs ... or are able / willing to try Linux equivalent offerings.
You are willing to hunt down current tools (where the developer hasn't given up on it years ago) that actually do what might have been built into Windows.
And if you want to have every Linux desktop install fully updated, make the update function (if only security updates) are applied automatically (even after the next reboot) or they will never get done at all.
Nothing stopping you enjoying the best of both (or 3 or 4?) worlds by having a dual boot (Win/Lin), a second machine running Linux so you can practice on it or (worst case) a Linux VM.
Most of my (many) PC's are dual boot Windows / Linux (even my MacBook ) and I'll generally choose Linux if I know I'm not intending to do anything that Windows generally does equally well or better ... or if I have a slower machine that I just need to launch into a basic web terminal etc (not to access some LAN hardware that requires ActiveX or some such).
Cheers, T i m
Quite. Which we were party to when in the EU. The problem is outside the EU, we will have to negotiate all again. And it doesn't take a crystal ball to envisage us then stepping on the toes of an existing agreement.
Like:- Country A grows mainly cereal crops. Country B raises mainly cattle. They have an excellent deal between them. We come along and want to sell them both cereal and cattle. Neither want this as it would interfere with their existing deal. Country A might well be happy to buy our cattle if better value than country B. But not if country B retaliates by no longer buying their cereal.
It is a simplistic situation, but might help to explain it to those who appear to live on another planet.
Which took years to negotiate. So there were rather obviously lots that had to be sorted out.
You think this country can pay its way in the world by manufacturing only those?
And financial services are all too easy to move to where they get the best deal.
Except that the Brexiteers in parliament have already made it plain that non of the EU deals already in existance with other European countries outside it aren't good enough for them. We could have agreed on the Norway model very quickly indeed.
Really? Are you forgetting what India said early on after Brexit? Very happy to negotiate a deal with the UK. But it would have to include free movement of labour between our countries...
I think you are confusing the Commonwealth with the British Empire.
TM said she is considering lifting immigration restrictions from outside the EU as we are desperately short of doctors. We could use many from the EU but they don't want to come here now for some reason?
Maybe it's the petrol prices, now the pound is worth so much less ... ;-(
Cheers, T i m
Maybe ask them why if this is the actual case. Ask at the boarders, the last time I saw this done was NYE or NYD when they asked and teh person said they could do any job, they could clean cars goo d, so an idea candidate to employ as a doctor.
Maybe they are racist and prefer to care and look after their own people in their own country. Two of my mums carers were due to go back after the EU REFEREDUM (so had NO effect on them leaving) they were on a 1-2 year contra ct and they came over with their husbands who were in the building trade. A fter the contracts were over they went home with enough money to make their lives better and that is why they were here.
But then again I expect that the reasons we have so many stabbings up and d own the country is because we voted leave there can't be any other possible reason can there ?
I suprised no ones claimed the grenfell fire was due to us leaving the EU.
Except, that wasn't the Linux that was really being compared was it, it was more the GNU / GUI bit?
But again, no real help if it doesn't make Linux work as simple as Androids GUI?
Again, except there are many programs that aren't in the Software Centre, so you still have to go and hunt them down and hope they are in the format you can easily install and for your particular distro, version and DE.
Ah, that bit is often true ... and not just 'set-up', but be available every time something happens that they can't fix themselves.
Like my mate (who runs Linux as his daily desktop since I set it up for him a few years ago) found his PC switched off when his Mrs accidentally pulled the plug out (doh).
It wouldn't boot properly thereafter, just some 'Emergency mode' message on the screen and it was only after going up there and booting from a LiveDVD and launching chkdsk from Gparted was normal service resumed.
Similar with my BIL after a Linux update and him ending up with a corrupted desktop and missing toolbars etc. Luckily I could get him to drop to a terminal windows and launch Teamviewer from the CLI and then I was able to access it remotely and some Googling / copy - pasting got him working again.
With Windows you can still often run a functional GUI (Safe Mode) and click about and fix things.
Cheers, T i m
Do you /really/ have to use a USB stick? If you burn a live *iso to a DVD, at least you'll know if a Linux distro will work with your hardware or not, /before/ you install it.
And those who managed to persuade so many to vote leave don't have vested interests in leaving? The mass meja owned by press barons? Rees-Mogg etc who want to be a big fish in a small pond?
Drive letters could easily be considered an unnecessary complication.
True. But Windows is not immune to problems.
But are you more likely to experience "Windows issues"?
No. I use both Windows and Linux. Horses for courses.
No. You pick the OS based on what software you want to run. Windows has exclusives, but so does Linux.
Linux compatible hardware is ubiquitous.
It's not luck!
Examples?
No. I get Linux security updates automatically.
I do.
Oh, shure, but my point was that maybe people had got used to them and the whole mount point thing was less 'obvious'?
Agreed ... it's just that more people know Windows so you are more likely to find help on it easily (eg, the kid next door).
Difficult question. Ok, of the *many* PC's and laptops I run myself (inc the Wife's and Daughters W7) I can honestly say I've had more 'help' calls from the two people I look after running Mint than all of those I look after running Windows. That's still not saying that in the right hands, Mint is any more or less stable than say W7 of course, just telling it as I see it.
I have Mint on a MacBook round Mums. Yes it's supports the right-click trackpad gesture where W7 doesn't but then W7 shuts down properly but Mint doesn't (and that's not the first instance of that problem I've come across over many years). One is a missing driver the other a fundamental flaw in the kernel?
See below.
Yes. Windows is not always free.
Rarely the case. You 'get' Windows when you buy a PC. You rarely get Linux, especially for free (of installation cost) or subsidised by the software suppliers. You might 'opt' to have Linux instead or more sensibly, dual boot Windows and Linux so at least you can update the system BIOS and run numerous other tools that are likely to be Windows only.
Of course, however, how many Linux apps are considered an industry / default standard? The *ONLY* thing I would prefer to use Linux for is Gparted and I have that on a bootable CD in any case (but still Linux etc).
Not as ubiquitous as 'Designed for Windows' hardware eh? Go into any PC hardware shop and see how many hardware products state categorically what Linux distro / version they support, if any. 'Of course' I'm not saying you couldn't 'get lucky' or that you couldn't specifically search out 'Linux compatible' hardware. The de-facto compatibility OS is Windows though (well, except on Apple hardware of course). ;-)
Of course it is. Take any PC user and they will likely have a set of core apps they know and have to use (maybe for work) and a subset of apps they know and prefer to use. If when they find out they aren't natively supported on Linux, it's now 'hunt the solution' and a willingness to learn an alternative (and often inferior) solution. GIMP != Photoshop. Pan != Forte Agent etc.
Paint? ;-)
Cool, what box do you have to tick to make that happen please (assuming you also understood that to mean download and apply 'automatically')?
Then my reply wasn't for you, another telling personality trait of yer Linux geek. ;-)
Cheers, T i m
UK's main wealth is not from manufactured goods but from other people's money.
Norway pays a dull membership fee to the EU.
The parts of the Commonwealth that matter are more interested in doing deals with China, The EU and the USA.
A lot of them already have. Which is why those who can afford to, are getting out while they can.
Anger as Brexiter Nigel Lawson applies for French residency
Which is not a lot of consolation to poor old Turnip I'll admit.
No cosy chateau in South West France for the likes of him.
michael adams
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No need to bother with most of them, they are irrelevant to British trading.
And it doesn't take a crystal
There are no countries that are specialised as that.
No countries are in that situation.
Britain doesn't export a lot of either.
Not when they actually want buy aircraft engines, documentaries, books, scotch, beer from Britain and to sell grain and meat to Britain, both of which Britain has been importing for centuries now.
Unlikely to be better value than from a country like Argentina that specialises in exporting meat.
Trade doesn't work like that.
Yes, nothing like the real world with trade.
It is actually just another bogus scenario like the other one that Britain would have no friends outside the EU when in fact it would always have the Commonwealth.
Only because every single EU member country has a veto on any of the detail in a free trade agreement.
Wouldn't be a problem with an agreement with the RSA, New Zealand, Australia who already do trade with Britain and who hated the fact that Britain chose to join the EEC and stopped buying so much of what they exported.
So there were rather obviously lots that
Because every EU member country had a veto right on every detail.
That is what Britain has been doing for decades now.
Just as true with Britain still in the EU.
And chose not to do that because that one is the same as being an EU member in all but name, with no say on EU policy.
Yes, most of them have said that publicly.
Just one country that chose to kick Britain out.
No other Commonwealth country has been silly enough to demand that.
That's why I said financial services.
And Switzerland doesn't.
They are interested in doing them with Britain too and have said so too.
Wouldnt want one.
Especially not next to Nigel Lawson
Which lies were those, then? Do tell, I'm keen to know.
Yes they were. And in any case, it's up to the people themselves to get informed, just as it is with any election. Perhaps you think Blair's election victories should be annulled because we didn't know he'd invade Iraq.
They have the most to *gain* from it.
Or are you saying that people of a certain age should have been prevented from voting?
I suppose it goes without saying that most of my family and friends who expressed an opinion were in favour of remain. Odd when you consider my age and therefore the similar ages of many of my friends, if the meja is to be believed.
None has changed their mind - despite all the efforts of the leavers to make up stories of EU bullying etc. Indeed, most seem even more sure they made the right choice, given the subsequent desperate actions of the Boris and Rees Mogg clan. Being lectured by a pair of idiots is not the way to persuade anyone.
The obvious one being that our EU contribution was somehow ring fenced and once out of the EU could be transferred to the NHS. And that's even before the nett/gross argument.
Pretty well no government expenditure is ever ring fenced, and only the gullible (of which there are many) would ever believe this would happen. But then that same sum was mentioned as being able to do lots of other things too.
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