Can anyone tell me why this isnt complete bollocks

[Tim Watts]

Yes - I don't know what new MINIs do. But I should have said "BMW" not Austen/Morris :)

[Tim Watts]

Like Samsung's stupid curved phone screens that make it impossible to put a decent case on, nor hold without confusing the phone:

automatic door opening is something invented by retards.

My Tucson boot would open if you stood near it. Luckily you can disable that bollocks in the config.

[Andy Burns]

Some estates allow you to wave your leg at the bumper to open the boot, sounds useful if you've got your hands full ...

[Dave Plowman (News)]

There will always be clever thieves. The trick is to stay ahead of them as much as possible. But if you allow a system to be in use where you can buy a scanner cheaply which then allows you to steal the car, something is very wrong. Including those who buy a car with such a system. And all of the others who pay increased insurance premiums to cover the often total loss of a near new vehicle being taken abroad to sell.

My newest car is a few years old. But has an actual key you put in the ignition switch. And a chip in the fob which has to match the car. Both must be correct to start it. Since so many are now keyless including some lowish price types, I dunno what the norm is today.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

If you're so old you can't put things down, you'd likely fall over. ;-)

[T i m]

I guess because they would also have to have proximity sensors on them to stop them automatically opening onto another car?

Do the remote tailgates have such to stop them hitting low garage / carpark ceilings?

Daughters Corsa (and our kitcar) sill have manual window winders and they are a boon if the driver has jumped out, taken the keys and left you sitting in the heat.

All the 23 years I had the Sierra Estate I can't remember ever dreaming of electric windows (or electric sunroof or anything else 'electric' for that matter) and that made it KISS. ;-)

I can see the 'appeal' of key based personality for say the drivers seat positions but even at 6'2" and her 5' 6", neither of us has really had an issue adjusting the seat to suit and probably quicker than any 'automatic' solution.

The only 'thing' that might test my 'comforts' level would be aircon ... but typically only really an issue for a couple of weeks a year?

But then I'm also a 'motorcyclist' so am pretty used to only having the basics (and only have a fuel gauge on one of my bikes and that's the one aimed at car drivers / commuters (YP250 scooter)). ;-)

Cheers, T i m

[T i m]

I think it was because I have been longer on this planet with the traditional Mini than I have the BMW offereing that I wouldn't refer to any BMW Mini as 'old'.

I was trying to work out if the old Mini had, or could have been retro-fitted with some clever key thingy but the only thing I could think of was a secret switch that killed the electric fuel pump. ;-)

Our current car is a 14 year old Meriva and that still feels / seems new compared to anything else we have had. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

[Bob Eager]

On my car, it's no more than a metre.

[Cursitor Doom]

I use an old half-ounce tobacco tin. Works for me; nice and compact. Foil's not really thick enough. To get something properly RF-tight, you need overlapping joints and no gaps.

[Bill]

In message , T i m writes

In the north, where men are men, our boat has passed every survey with a translucent diesel tank, so you could see how much fuel was left and whether there were any leaks etc. It is immensely strong and fitted securely in a position where no-one could possible be thrown against it.

Son has taken it down to the Solent/IOW and been told it has to be boxed in for elf'n'safety.

Once again, I think I have lived too long.

[dennis]

No, they may have an electrically operated one or they wouldn't be keyless.

[dennis]

Or use the programming port to do your own key.

[dennis]

All my cars need a proper key to actually unlock the steering lock. It just means they have to take a bit longer to break the lock if they want to steal it.

[Jack James]

Not when the system is well designed so it can work out when its in the car, so you just leave the keys in your pocket and never have to do anything with the keys. And that would allow the same system with your phone so you don?t have any keys at all, just your phone, for the car and the house so that all you have to do is ensure you have your phone with you. And that is also very easy when you can't start the car at home without it.

And no harder to ensure that even with phone failure, it still works fine with the micro device that you have in the phone case, or keep in your pocket if you want to cover the situation where the phone is stolen while you are out and about.

[Andy Burns]

No, my previous estate had a power tailgate, whenever I had the roofrack fitted I had to remember not to use the opener, or it would ram itself into the roof rack, at least if you forgot you could stick your arm in the way and it sensed the force you were pushing back at it, but it had no proximity sensors to stop it hitting stuff.

[Andy Burns]

The car knows that, but it's taken me more that 6 weeks to n tget used to it yet.

Not many phones have 433MHz radios that the keys use, you can lock/unlock the car from the phone over the internet with a PIN, but it's a faff.

[T i m]

I think you mean 'yes' ... ;-)

So they do have a 'mechanical steering lock' (I was wondering if they had one at all, given that it seems they can be defeated with brute force etc) but it's operated electro mechanically. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

[T i m]

Ok, thanks, I had wondered 'what if'.

Cheers, T i m

[Jack James]

Sure, but you are one of the geriatrics set in your ways.

I'm not and change with the season every year on stuff like that.

But they would when that sort of keyless entry is common.

you can

But it isnt when you use Touch ID, just do it.

[Harry Bloomfield]

Cursitor Doom wrote on 15/07/2018 :

It doesn't really need to be completely RF tight, just tight enough to prevent it being casually read without your knowledge.