Bargain - B&Q carrier bags only 5p each . . . .

[raden]

In message , Peter Parry writes

And you tell kids ...

Well, I can weigh out a dozen nails at my local hardware store

and then haggle over the price

... and get a discount

[David M]

I strongly doubt that the degradation is carbon neutral, the main degradation process of organic matter on landfills produces approximately equal parts of methane and CO2. Although this is not as bad as it appears, (despite methane being far worse than CO2 for global warming),as in any decent landfill site the methane is harvested and used to generate electricity, and gets clasiffied as green/renewable energy as well :-)

So what we realy need is to get more organic materials into landfills to generate more methane/electricity from this nice green source. ;-)

Plastic bags on the other hand are the scourge of any landfill operator that I know, with special teams having to be employed to go around collecting them on site as they get blown everywhere .

cheers

David

[MBQ]

But if the paper bag takes more energy to produce and that energy came from oil then your probably still better with a plastic bag?

MBQ

[usenet]

Er, isn't that what I was saying? Or were you replying to a post above mine? Ah, no, I see you were commenting on my last sentence, yes, I quite agree.

[Mary Fisher]

I'm lost ... :-)

[T i m]

It seems to .. *I* would have thought that sound ecological sense might prevail but no .. it's 'money' ..?

Talking of sense .. one of my mates runs a gun shop and another a cycle shop. Both produce a large quantity of cardboard waste but can't have it collected by the council because it 'commercial' waste? They are even happy to pay to get it 'recycled' but it seems there is no facility for this (via the Council anyway)?

But they send a crew round once a week collecting the dribs and drabs of household cardboard waste .. ?

If they are collecting cardboard to actually 'get' carboard to recycle then they could fill their truck in one go by visiting my two mates ... less wages, less fuel, better return? Don't suppose they are though .. just another form of lip service to ecology .. ;-(

All the best ..

T i m

[Mary Fisher]

Because the energy to make the oil by living organisms happened millions of years ago.

Mary

[T i m]

Welcome to my place Mary ;-)

T i m

[Mary Fisher]

We need an irony emoticon.

That might have been your experience, it wasn't mine.

And here no-one said 'Nah'. If they had to reply in the negative it was 'Nay'.

? There weren't sell-by dates then.

Not true - again in my experience. I think you've been very unfortunate. Bread from the bakers was a special treat when Mum hadn't baked. There was a far greater range, even during the war, than she could make.

It was real bread, made before the Chorleywood process devised a method of making water stand up*

Well, they haven't in my area!

Except that local hardware shops have no option but to sell pre-packed screws in, say twelves when you want fourteen. They are still cheaper than the sheds and can (usually) advise when customers aren't sure what they want/need.

We go to specialist screw shops when we want special supplies. Most 'small'people don't even know about them, which is a shame. Mind you, they might think it easier to go to a shed ...

Mary

• not my saying, Elizabeth David's

[T i m]

And that's why we use plastic bottles over and over again with various cordials, cooled in the fridge.;-)

Oh, and why our house / loft / garage is full of handy stuff I can't throw away .. ;-(

All the best ..

T i m

[James Hart]

A care home near me has the same problem, there was a bit in the paper a few weeks back, nice picture of unhappy looking chap holding an empty box with a pile of newspapers next to him. He generates a lot of waste paper, empty milk cartons etc in a week (all the stuff the council want to meet their targets) and wondered why the recycling box wasn't being emptied, the operatives told him that it was trade waste and couldn't be collected. He argued his case with the council and was told that rules are rules and the perfectly good recyclable stuff from the home has to go to landfill.

[Mary Fisher]

I've been angling for that invitation for ages :-)

Mary

[Mary Fisher]

Good. So do we. And I've even started making yogurt so that I can use all those stored Rachels pots.

Ours are like that too. And we've had several clearouts :-(

[Andy Hall]

You took the bait then - I knew he'd have you hooked eventually

[raden]

Now you come and explain that to my wife

[Mary Fisher]

He said welcome to his place, not his plaice ...

Mary

[Peter Parry]

Sheltered upbringing is no excuse :-)

No it was something else but one would not wish to use it in public.

Indeed not, but as one of my holiday jobs (while studying A Level Biology) was scraping green slime off bacon for a local butcher to sell to a captive audience it didn't require too much skill to know it was well beyond one had it existed.

No, merely widely experienced.

[Peter Parry]

Carbon gets time expired?

[Owain]

"Andy Hall" wrote | >> Welcome to my place Mary ;-) | >I've been angling for that invitation for ages :-) | You took the bait then - I knew he'd have you hooked eventually

If you drink his German wine you'll have had 'ock.

Owain

[Dave]

That is exactly what I would do now, and in the future.

Thanks for that

Dave