Another bargain for the Aldi fans

Really? How are they mounted and to what as the server?

Mmm... Perhaps that's a G4 issue. I'll try forcing a filesystem check and see how long it takes, but have never seen this long a boot time even after a cold power off.

Neither did I apart from Office.

Normally I would agree with you. However, PCs are all about commodity hardware upon which the majority of people install or have installed for them a proprietary "operating system" from Microsoft and usually applications from Microsoft as well.

There is very little to choose between the hardware vendors anyway. It either gets fixed by partial or full replacement.

For the user, most of the investment is in time to fix the software when it breaks or in getting it to work reliably or at all with combinations of hardware in the first place. In that respect having something that is known to run on a defined platform is a distinct advantage.

OTOH, at least OS/X is based on a reasonably open environment. One can add and run or add compile and run most Unix based material, for example. Even if one doesn't do that, it becomes a comparison between one vendor's proprietary environment and another's.

So overall, for my use I think it's well worth sacrificing the hardware vendor choice

Depends what you want. I've never found any problem in finding something for what I've needed.

Very little. VMWare costs $79.99 at the moment.

Of course. I mean for my major professional use where there is business criticality.

This all sounds very much like issues of trying to run newer generation software or requirements on older generation hardware.

Whichever way, I think that one ends up spending money. I know people who are dual booting Linux and OS/X on their Macs for certain jobs and running Linux under VMWare for others. That can be reasonable as well. Does depend on what you do, though.

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Andy Hall
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Price does not seem to be a factor. I had one that installed, but the tablet driver would not recognise the tablet on it. I had another that worked fine but would blue screen the PC every few hours. Finally I bought one on ebay for £0.01 from hong kong, and it has worked well since.

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John Rumm

SMB to a Linux server, or servers. TCP conns need to be 'kept alive'

NFS is probably better, but I loathe it.

Bootng is alas assumed to be from a cold power off or it's not booting is it?

Point taken ;)

Mmm. I am not sure how accurate that assesment is..but the mots pepl I know are very computer literate and do very advanced things with their computers: What is on the machins OS wise tends to reflect the use to which it wll be put.

The graphic artists have Macs. The software developers have Linux or Windoze. The kids with the games have PC's.

But not that easily: The GUI interface is extremely specialised: sure you can run X11 but that rather defeats the point of having the Mac at all.

I spent over 4 weeks pissing around with ths Mac to see what its limits were, and was extremely frustrated to find that they were basically massive.

Its become a simple writing desk. Its pleasant enough at that.

No, with the Mac and the rest of it? Printers/plotters/scanners etc.

It the business critically depends on something that simply doesn't run on a Mac, then the business runs windows.

Millions of businesses run windows. its 'good enough'

And yet an upgrade to XP found all the older kit working flawlessly.

Well I have all three here now. Linux is for the server, because its rock solid at that.

Macs for pissing about and to run my wifes typography stuff, which it runs well enough.

PC for my engineering stuff, which Macs don't even get out of bed for.

I think the 4 machines here haven't cost much more than a grand..well maybe this mac was more when it was bought.

Very little has been bought new. A lot is cast offs from affluent people who don't want a 5 year old machine.

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The Natural Philosopher

The ones following the flock are those who buy M$.

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Steve Firth
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Sounds like bollocks. Even an Medion (Artek rebadged) scanenr with no support for OSX is running happily with my Macs. As to the plotter I haven't had one fail to work, and I wonder if the weasel word here is "properly" and in what context.

Nope that really is bollocks.

If you think that Corel Draw works well, or even that it works then you have a screw loose.

Nope that's merely psychological quirk, you think it is slower, it's actually faster, and when using Windows and other GUIs with menus tied to window bars it takes longer to find the menu than it does if the menu is fixed.

More bollocks.

"I'm used to a PC and I can't be arsed to think."

Mac, it's short for Macintosh. And what problems do you refer to? MY

2.4GHz MBP runs faster than any of the Vista machines I've tried.

I don't use MS Office.

More bollocks.

If you want to do laster cutting you should be speakign to Axon (Newport IoW). They were the first company to introduce laser cutters operated by a personal computer in the UK, they have been resolutely Mac ever since they started work. Most sail lofts seem to use them.

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Steve Firth

Thus setting your complaints about "slow" in context. It's faster than the comparable PC which would be a P4.

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Steve Firth

M$ is the Big Bad Wolf!

cheers, Pete.

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Pete C

Nope, it's just mass-market crap sold to people who don't know much about what they buy.

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Steve Firth

Macs are overpriced trendy crap sold to people who don't know much about what they buy...

cheers, Pete.

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Pete C

Well like you say there shouldn't be a need to explain it here which is why it was in quotes the first time I mentioned it as I knew it wasn't really what Linux was that we were talking about but it was what many people think is Linux.

As for the difference between Linux and open source then Linux is a tiny bit of open source that does similar to the Unix kernel in as much as it has the same interfaces and similar behavior. Is that enough or do you want the full works?

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dennis

No windows then?

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dennis

NFS is awful. It has all sorts of locking problems that you have to watch out for.

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dennis

There is nothing wrong with a Mac if it does what the user wants. The same goes for any machine and OS combination. Its personal choice. What is wrong is people saying any one system is crap just because they don't like it without any regard as to what is suitable for the other users. One size does not fit all.

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dennis

.. not forgetting the dock.

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Andy Hall

No. The license is required for that whether it's on a PC or a VM.

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Andy Hall

Broadly similar interfaces...try building the same program for Linux, and one of the few real Unix systems, and you'll find out the differences.

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Bob Eager

Actually, NFS is stateless and connectionless. That's one of the reasons locking is so hard, and why caching is also problematical.

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Bob Eager

If you stick to the common stuff you will be OK most of the time, well maybe if you follow the portability rules. Having seen how many variables there are in some of the makefiles just for different distros which should be similar you soon realize that even if it is supposed to be the same it may not be. Fortunately I no longer program for Unix at work and I certainly don't at home.

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dennis

Which is why we have the dreaded GNU autoconf. I stopped programming for UNIX years ago, but still do quite a bit on FreeBSD and (occasionally) Linux. We use true UNIX at work, but I don't program for it there.

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Bob Eager

Unfortunately, many peoples' only or main experience of NFS is one of the Linux implementations, which have never been up there in quality and functionality compared with the commercial unix implementations.

With the first NFS version, this was partly true. The locking protocol wasn't stateless though. However, NFS has evolved over

20 years to the point where none of the above is true anymore.

Unfortunately, Linux has not benefitted so much because its NFSv4 implementation is really poor, to the point where people often disable it just to get NFS to work on Linux (falling back to NFSv3).

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Andrew Gabriel

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