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She did and she;s quite attraxtive, which in the past we know others have made deals for those that have had lets say relationships with their boxes.

Rather like hugh hefters PAs they had to be attractive women didn't they.

for some reason we have about 85% women in the admin department, while we attampt to get equality for all staff.

well some here have in the past employed peole that will blow their trumpets for them in exchange for trips abroad and days off, even hardware.

when I found our HoD was allowing a program he bought ONE copy of to be used of 5 computers (I was software auditor) he removed me from the job, and just inststed I was to check the computers but not comment or read the results. I was eventually removed from that job. He also told me I had to do a networking job in another department for a couple of hours, on speaking to the attractive women she said the job would take at least 3 weeks maybe longer, when I asked her how much she would be paying fopr my time, which the department get paid for, she said "nothing" I'm just lending him some of my software I bought so he could have a copy, which is/was software piracy.

Simialr thing happens here, which is why I won;t go to their deaprtment meeetings ones on now. 1-3pm. It's just the admin staff telling everyone what a good job they do and how well they do it and self congratualting themseves for forwarding emails others have written.

If I went (and lose mt lunch hour) I might say something I'll regret. That I could use as amunition later for myself :-)

I already complained to our equality people and they emailed back saying sorry.

Quote The inequality in facilities is indeed quite scandalous. There is not much our team can do, apart from bringing up this issue with the senior management, which we will do.

that was 3 months ago.

But in reality it does depend on who sleeping in whose bed.

A whole 9 yeards of ammunition I believe this statement is called. ;-) Today is a good day to die.

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The difference was very noticeable:

- the the network development department, about 90% were men, and some of the women were not exactly attractive

- in the software testing department (who tested the software we developed), it was about 50:50

- in the marketing department, about 80% were women, many of whom were very attractive

For whatever reason, women seem not to be attracted to software development jobs - or else not selected, if they apply.

Maybe software is still seen as very nerdy.

The same thing happened at university. Of the whole engineering faculty, probably about 1/3 of the various engineering disciplines (mechanical, civil, aeronautical etc) were women - except for electrical/electronic engineering where there were only two women (out of a class of about 50) in my year. And one of those changed course to something non-engineering at the end of the first year.

I can understand the *temptation* to cut corners by buying one copy and time-sharing it with multiple people, especially if any one person doesn't use it very much. It's a shame software licensing doesn't allow one copy to be bought, with an hours-used counter by anyone who uses it, and charges make accordingly.

Within-department briefings by the head of department were usually good use of time: the manager read out the standard company briefing, but then

*interpreted* and *commented* on it, saying what was good and bad news for our department.

But then those briefings were stopped (maybe they were thought of as being too subversive!) and we all had to crowd into the lecture theatre or stand in the car park while the Big Boss delivered a presentation to the whole division. It was full of accountancy jargon like "rat ex" and "reg ex", and said a lot about *what* had been unilaterally changed and imposed on us, without any explanation about why. Unpalatable change-for-the-sake-of-change is always easier to swallow if you are told *why* the changes are being made, even if you don't agree with those reasons.

We used to have a staff opinion survey. It had all the standard "rate this quantity out of 10" questions which were far too bland and facile. The best bits were the big boxes where you could write feedback. I came across photocopies I'd kept of one of mine and I was (slightly) shocked at how scathing (in a constructive, suggesting-alternatives sort of way) I'd been - the benefits of those surveys being anonymous. I mentioned how they needed more local interpretation of top-level briefings by heads of department, and how much better that had been than a briefing by a divisional executive.

One year the statistics were circulated afterwards and someone (the guy I mentioned who re-wrote the device driver to fix the fault) spotted that the total number of forms exceeded the number of employees ;-) This was fed back officially on a company version of "freedom of information" and it turned out that the third-party company that collated the forms had "lost" a batch of them and had invented answers for those missing forms, but had given the game away by over-estimating how many forms had been lost.

The opinion survey wasn't run after that...

The best company briefing (in terms of lost-the-plot, WTF-is-this-all-about) was after the Finns took over our division (they said it was a merger, but I can spot a takeover when I see it). The senior Finnish managers had about as much life about them as a long-dead Egyptian mummy, and could drone on for hours without actually saying anything. For some reason, Finns seem to have much more problem with English than any other non-English people. Usually you quickly get used to certain words or vowel sounds being pronounced in a non-standard way, and can create a mental lookup table. But Finns manage to pronounce the same word in 1001 different ways, so the lookup table approach isn't much use. (*)

They arranged one company "jolly" at the local ice rink (why? was it the only auditorium available?) so we were all f*cking freezing. The managers were lined up on a podium on the ice and started spouting fluent bollocks. One of them exhorted us to "kill the customers". WTF was he *trying* to say? If he'd exhorted us (metaphorically) to kill our *competitors* it would have made a little more sense. He ended his talk with "repeat after me". Except he uttered some phrase in guttural Finnish-accented English - and no-one had the faintest idea what we were supposed to say. So you have about 1000 people all obediently and faithfully repeating some guttural sounds without having a clue what they were saying. That whole day was memorable only for the absurdity and the time-wasting. I personally got nothing out of it whatsoever, and that was the opinion of everyone else that I talked to.

When our network department was (mostly) made redundant, those who faced the chop were given an exit interview. It so happened that my boss in my new role in server marketing had just transferred from Personnel (sorry, HR) and she sais that a lot of people had commented on that "away day" and the "kill the customers" and ritual chanting, and she said "as a communication exercise that day was an utter joke".

(*) One interesting thing that I found out about Finns. We had to have teleconferences with them, and we found that when we asked our Finnish opposite numbers any questions, there was a long pause before they responded, which led to us restating the question in the meantime in simpler English in case they hadn't understood. We weren't sure whether it was a technical delay in the video conference, but we noticed that a few people (non-Finns working in Finland) responded more quickly, so it wasn't time lag. We asked around afterwards, and eventually were enlightened. If I were to ask you a difficult question whose answer you had to think about, you'd probably grunt or nod or give some response to say "I've heard you. I've understood you. Let me think about that one." and that would keep me happy until you came back with your answer a little time later. Finnish people don't do that. If you ask them a difficult question, they sit there motionless, without giving *any* sign that they have heard or understood the question, or are thinking about the answer. And then just when you've given up all hope, they come out with their considered answer. Not a problem, once you know about this cultural difference, but it's a shame that no-one told us about it. *They* probably though *we* were very strange, the way we made "strange sounds" and nodded whenever anyone asked us a question, to fill the dead air until we had an answer.

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During a general Quality Audit I performed on the company's IT department a long time ago, back when all their PCs were stand-alone, they were only just starting to create and verify (on one of their PCs) a database of hardware, software and licences, as a belated effort to manage the chaotic situation they had allowed to develop. When asked where their backups were, they argued (unsuccessfully) that nothing of importance was stored on their PCs.

When I returned a few weeks later for them to clear their outstanding shortcomings, they offered me two boxes of floppies which, despite what was pencilled on them, when examined it was abundantly clear that they had never been part of a backup set. I was not impressed.

Chris

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Chris J Dixon

Doubt many QCs work anti-social hours.

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It should depend on experience and who is qualified to do the jobs, here I notice less women doing these sort of courses so I wouldnl't expect to see many women passing and going on to get jobs in that profession.

Similar to midwifery or perhaps dental assistants.

After a time lag it should respresent those studying for that profession.

I guess men aren't very good at marketing then.

It was interesting to see a gay male win the Make-up artist competition recently. And of teh final 3 two men one women.

When they visit large building sites for TV interviews have ou noticed how many women are interviewed when they are managing the site and how they only loko about 22 , but when it comes to the men with a similar job they are 40+

we have quite a few female software students, as well as hardware. One of our female pHd students ask me to order 30 LED lenes for her last thursday. I said well we shouldn't really spend our undergrad money on PhD students, and she said but I'd like them by Monday if possible and you can do it quicker than the finance (which comprises of two women doing the ordering, we have just one male) So I ordered them it was only £6 worth. Now she's gone home to amsterdam, after recieving the order from me monday morning.

it does make me wonder why they expect to get the high postion jobs after just doing a few years when normally it takes a man much longer a few men get maternity leave, and even fewer get permission to leave early or come in late to take or get their children from school.

It wasn't time shared, it was on 5 computers Mac plueses to be precise.

you can get that it's called a site licence is one method. We do have some agreements where a maxium number of computers can run the software but it;s avaible on lots of computers and there's a counter and even counter that allows use in term time but not at other times.

Luckily they now record the meetings.

Agenda

  1. Update from Head of department

  1. Update from Director of Education

- PhD demonstration policy

- Discussion on 2 hour exam

  1. REF preparations

  1. Update from Director of JP / BUPT

  2. Update on Recruitment & admissions

  1. Update on IoC

I doubt I'd stay awake the whole 2 hours and my snoring might wake others up.

The last time I went was because they were supplying chocolate dounuts AND jam dounuts :-) they stopped that :-(

Perhaps that's why some of the women did so well promotion wise ;-)

I;'m not sure they'd like that here.

well at least some bothered.

That is bad, at least we;d attempt to sort this ourselves I'd expect. That way they'd find it easier to manipulate.

I find that with the French.

we don't have those problems. A female technicain did ask me what a mallet was today, "we call that a rubber hammer in Thailand" she replied when I explianed what it was and how it's used.

I;ve not had any problems with finns, well 2 finnish girlfriends, their english and understand of UK was pretty good in general, I never even managed to take the piss out of them, which I would have done given the slightest oppertunity.

I take the piss out of anyone, but some do desrve it more than others. :-)

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whisky-dave

We used to have management presentations that became known as "Death by Powerpoint". Hundreds of meaningless Powerpoint slides and uncomfortable chairs so it wasn't easy to to fall asleep.

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alan_m

In some work environments flexibility is the key to staff satisfaction and lifestyle choices.

I worked as a electronic designer and for many years worked for a company that had flexible hours. There was a daily core time but the start and end times could be anytime within a 2.5 to 3 hour period. On a monthly basis I was expected to work 148 hours with the option of taking every Friday afternoon off without using holiday allocation. This helped a lot avoiding the rush hour(s) traffic on my commute to work.

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alan_m

That sounds familiar - perhaps somewhere not a million miles from Romsey or Winchester?

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nothanks

On 01/05/2019 18:07, snipped-for-privacy@aolbin.com wrote: voiding the rush hour(s) traffic on my commute to

Nowhere near Romsey/Winchester - Essex

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alan_m

In article snipped-for-privacy@davenoise.co.uk>, Dave Plowman (News) snipped-for-privacy@davenoise.co.uk> scribeth thus

A bloody train driver over there is an Engineer!.

All he does is just drive it...

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tony sayer

Plenty do in fact with very controversial trials.

At least one will be doing that with the attempt to extradite Assange.

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2987pl

For some reason, pretty well all the places I have worked (a fair few as I am a contractor) that have flexible hours, have core time of 09:00 to

16:00, which rather defeats the ability to do the school run or miss the rush hour - unless you are planning on an early start and a very late finish, but then you run out of hours by Thursday and they don't like you taking every Friday off!

SteveW

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Steve Walker

A friend of mine had to attend departmental meetings every week. They were full of useless and boring information and of no use to anybody. A small group of them decided to try and get Dilbert quotes into each meeting - one of his best was something like "The fluorescent lights are sapping my powers."

SteveW

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memory said that in the distant past, AMIEE was the main grade with MIEE as the "super grade". In, I think, the 1960s, the names were changed to MIEE & FIEE. "Chartered" didn't appear until the Engineering Council was created -

1981
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charles

a somehat snobbish colleague was most upset when someone told hm he must be "working class" since he worked for a living,

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charles

The chap wid serviced the boiler at our amateur theatre, used to be s science teacher. As you say, more money in servicing boilers.

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charles

a cousin who is a QC and then became a judge, reckoned he worked a 6½ day week.

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charles

Historically, in the early days of steam, he may well have been an engineer? Or rather more of one than now?

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Dave Plowman (News)

Ahem! From the IET website: "In 1924 the IEE obtained from the Privy Council the right for corporate members to describe themselves as

*Chartered* Electrical Engineers. The grant of the charter, fifty years after the foundation of the Society of Telegraph Engineers, confirmed its position as an organisation representing a learned profession and extending its influence in the direction of members? education, qualifications and public standing." More background can be found here:
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Yes avaible to the few but not the many.

we have core times of 10am to 4pm

I'm told I have to work 35 hours a week.

But I wouldn't be allowed this flexibility as my job is 9-5.

if I was working in admin I could work 8:30 - 5pm 4 days a week and not bother coming in on fridays, because I would have any H&S responsibilities.

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