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in general yes (so far) but they work great in my kitchen under the worktops

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clumsy bastard
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Tim S

Most take what we're used to in nature as a guide.

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Dave Plowman (News)

Indeed, incandescent - sun/fire (direct), LED - moon (borrowed)

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Bob Mannix

The science went out of the window a long time ago with regards to the mainstream discussions you see in the media. A fanatical religion is actually a very good description of most of the coverage today, regrettably, as it stifles the real science.

In this country, there seem to be fewer and fewer people who even understand what science really is, never mind any actual understanding of it. We seem to have fallen below critical mass in that respect, so I don't think we'll hear any further reasoned discussions in this country. That's likely to come in the future from the emerging technology nations (India, possibly China) who are now educating large numbers of students in science and engineering to the high levels we used to many decades back, as they pour out into the workplaces of those nations and increasingly start influencing the views and direction of large sectors of the world.

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Andrew Gabriel

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Huge

Interesting point made on the telly this morning; The inhabitants of Third World countries always see education as the way out of poverty and a Good Thing. The inhabitants of this country seem to have the opposite view.

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Huge

Well said, sir.

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Bruce

green piss is most definitely NOT based on science.

None of them appear able to do basic maths.

If you actually calculate the effect of CFL's allowing for all the issues,the impact is negligible.

I have just got 50% more fuel consumption out of 10 quids worth of new spark plugs. THAT is value. CFL's are not.

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The Natural Philosopher

Take 'em back - and ask for some that give you 50% less fuel consumption.

Regards,

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Stephen Howard

But moonlight being reflected sunlight still has a good spectrum.

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Dave Plowman (News)

The moon has the albido similar to a lump of coal, so I wouldn't make too many assumptions about the quality of the reflected light, as not much of it is reflected.

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Andrew Gabriel

In message , chris French writes

Ah! I clearly need to shop more often and with my eyes open:-)

regards

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Tim Lamb

Don't fret TNP frequently gets stuff reversed. You should see his posts after he has been to the pub.

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dennis

Oh... its gotten even worse:

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meow2222

IIRC screwfix, toolstation & tesco all do them

NT

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meow2222

I popped out to the kitchen to make a cuppa just after lunch, and there was someone on Radio 4 saying that MP's and journalists really need to do some mandatory training on scientific and statistical methods, which is something none of them have any clue about nowadays, but something that is absolutely essential for people in those positions.

Seemed particularly relevant to this discussion...

The context was the home secretary (IIRC) claining that knife crime had fallen significantly since some initiative they introduced in the summer, when in fact knife crime always falls significantly in the winter, so there was no statistical significance in the fall since the initiative was introduced. If she understood statistics (or had spoken with someone who did), then she might not have made such a blunder. And this is after the government set up a special statistics unit earlier this year to vet any such claims that they make due to a rapid decline in public acceptance of any figures politicians give (she didn't use it).

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Andrew Gabriel

The Welfare State has a lot to do with that. When I was off work recently with a broken ankle the Incapacity Benefit and my PHI payments made sat at home, doing nothing really rather pleasant. No worries about druming up work or the phone not ringing to offer work.

Then I look at last year, it was a good year, I earnt a few thousand extra compared to the previous year. Trouble is my Working Tax Credit dropped by

2/3rds, I ended up with just a few hundred extra in my pocket. Why did I bother working harder?

I think the term is "poverty trap".

There does need to be a "safety net" of some sort like the Incapacity Benefit when I couldn't work. But just handing out money without people "earning" it in some way is just not working properly. Roll on the introduction of community service work in exchange for benefits.

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Dave Liquorice

It would help if the journalist or researcher etc did some basic fact finding too.

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Dave Plowman (News)

but the science is there, even if some rubbish gets written in the press. "Fanatical religion" is OTT

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clumsy bastard

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