Wind turbines used to absorb a power surplus?

[The Natural Philosopher]

And massive, guaranteed profits.

[The Natural Philosopher]

We do, because they still get paid to stop generating as if they had been generating.

No they are not.

But no one does

The greenies are either in the pockets of Big Energy - gas/ oil. renewables...or they are simply so low IQ that they cant see the flaws in the fairy stories they swallow.

[John Larkin]

We have squirrels that like Fritos too, but no local rabbits. We do have coyotes and owls in the canyon a couple of blocks away, but they don't visit us much.

Sf has big flocks of wild parrots. They are noisy.

This is a sweet rom-com:

[The Natural Philosopher]

Jesus wept. A full blown tinfoil hatter.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Bless! The naivete of people. It all goes on yer bill at the end of the day.

Just a different way to pay for it

[The Natural Philosopher]

Dont be bloody stupid.

I think they are correct to do that. switzerland everyone has a gun too. In case Putin wanders in.

Governments since really Thatcher have all been about following a common plan that has no interest in giving people more than the bare minimum that will get them re-elected. The people behind the scenes pull the strings and the politicians spout bullshit and argue over gender identity while you get more tax and a worse service.

And there is no point voting for a different party, they are already compromised. Maybe the Reform party has some honesty. Its a shot to nothing as far as I am concerned, UKIP never got into government, but it scared the f*ck out of the tories. And no, its former voters haven't all died off. Or changed their minds

[The Natural Philosopher]

Ive got a box full I removed because they were plain awful. LEDs are all I install when incandescents go.

[The Natural Philosopher]

None are synchronous. Not any more and I cannot recall that any were. You need a massive step up gearbox or a multipole generator to turn 60 revs a minute into 50 or 60 Hz.

They are all using inverters which is why the grid needs batteries for frequency stabilisation. Inverters have no spinning mass.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Yes, but the reason they put it in diesels is that diesels actually are more efficient than steam turbines

[The Natural Philosopher]

Coal mines and oil wells kill people not animals. Wind turbines kill both.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Total myth

Domestic cats may carry 2.4 million dead birds into the house as gifts. Bit no vcat can catch a bird that is able to fly., In realty the annul death toll of hatchlings *has* to be around 90% for small birds, or we would be treading on them. People in towns never find the dead ones until, cats bring them in. Out here since I have got rid of the cats there are dead birds everywhere...or piles of feathers.

Windmills account for

But what windmills kill are protected raptors and bats, because they generate updraughts and shock pressure waves.

And people. Never parachute into a wind farm.

Depends on what its treadmill is attached to

[The Natural Philosopher]

In there any need for wind turbines? Of course not. Cats at least are company. And kill mice. Wind farms simply rob you blind and destabilise the grid, make houses unsaleable, keep people awake at night , obscure radar tracking stations, and will leave pollution in the form of concrete bases behind for thousands of years.

[The Natural Philosopher]

You can imagine my surprise. I found a bird in a quiet country road that led nowhere, where I lived., It had a ring on,. with a number to call. I called it. The woman at the other end kept asking me if a cat had killed it, or if it had been hit by a car, She refused to believe that it was undamaged, just dead.

That was wild. I had tow cats, great hunters and killers, but not of birds. Mice, yes. Water rats, yes. Those were just starters. Main meals would be bunnies. Or rats. I even saw the older want duelling with a weasel for ages., He got it. I strapped the corpse to my Irish neighbours radio aerial. It was weeks befre he noticed. Bit short sighted. But a lovely man.,

[The Natural Philosopher]

Well all that happens if you feed birds is you get more birds, and then they all die of something other than starvation.

Its been a tough winter. almost all the wrens will be dead. But the few that will be left will have huge clutches.

[alan_m]

I'm aware of that - very much like free postage the cost of which is built into the selling price in the first place.

[John Larkin]

Steam plants on ships were amazingly complex. They had feed pumps, preheaters, fuel pumps, blowers, burners, flame detectors, water-wall boilers, superheaters, economizers, condensers, multi-stage throttle valves, reverse steam valves, safety valves, HP and LP turbines with million-dollar reduction gears, steam powered generators, all kinds of plumbing. More that I probably can't remember. A steamship had a small chemistry lab that was used to regularly test the water used in the boilers.

I used to design throttle and boiler control systems for ships, and they were complex and expensive too.

All that stuff was hard to maintain.

[upsidedown]

Our local district heating company just installed an electrically heated boiler to heat water, when the electric prices drops towards zero due to wind overproduction. The claim is that by doing so, 16,000 tons of emissions are reduced.

They are simply stupid, if they don't.

It is in the wind farm company best interest to avoid electric prices falling to zero or negative. The wind farm company should try to 'invent' ways that their customers could use this overproduction in some way and get at least a cent or two instead of zero. .

[Sam Plusnet]

"No cat can catch a bird that is able to fly"?!?

A flat declaration which is completely false, and most people who know much about cats will know that.

You don't do yourself any favours.

[Rod Speed]

alan_m [e-mail]> wrote

They won't, anywhere.

Just because some fool claims something...

No chance of that.

[Rod Speed]

There is some evidence that pet owners do better health wise.

Whether that is caused by having pets isn't clear.