Because Midas pays to be on the list. Tire rack signs on whatever
outfits wish to be on the list. The installers get more business and
don't need to be bothered with stocking all of the various tires. The
chain gets exposure AND while your vehicle is on the lift they might get
a brake or exhaust job to add to the tires.
you hit the nail on the head there.
When any shop encounters someone who needs special attention or
equipment or procedures above or beyond their "normal", they need to
just say, "sorry, can't do it, have a nice day".
in my imaginary perfect world of course....
there is a third way - quote them a grossly unreasonably high price. it
effectively says "fuck off" but gets most of them to focus on the red
herring, the number. it's a beautiful thing - they flounce off thinking
they're slapping you in the face with rejection when in fact it's the
other way about. if they figure it out later, they're already off the
premises and unlikely to return. if they are stoopid enough to pay,
well, i can suck up some abuse if i'm being paid enough. but even then,
if they're paying a premium, most of them think they're getting extra
Yeah! when one of my friend showed interest in buying top end M5 they
really treated him like a royalty. He bought one after he went to
Germany to BMW plant, had a tour, picked his car, test drove on their
track. After he flew back home the car followed. When he needed a bolt,
it was priced at 100.00. Oil change at dealer shop costs like 250.00.
Windshield costs couple thousands. Unbelievable!!!! Of course his trip
cost was included in the price of the car I am sure.
At the dealership, customer lounge is like one at air port VIP lounge.
They serve meals, snacks, all kinda fresh beverage like sitting in a
first class airliner. I always think car is necessary evil. As an
ordinary man I just drive ordinary car. Doing some work myself on it.
I always have fun when I take out kid's car, looking at it, it is plain
stock Subaru WRX STi but inside/underneath is totally redone. Always
some driver comes along and wanna race. Young kids can't figure out why
my Subaru is so fast. When old guy comes along and got pissed off, I can
see his face turning red, Poor old soul. Didn't he notice what kinda
tire on my car?
Eh, if you buy used so you're not paying their inflated prices, they're
really nice cars. Traditionally they'd last forever with proper
maintenance too, not sure if that is true today of any car though.
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
On Thu, 18 Jul 2013 11:35:55 -0400, Nate Nagel wrote:
Actually, this is one point stated so far that *is* valid about
bimmers (which shows you're a rare person here who *understands*
what he is saying) ...
If you know the dozen (or so) things to look out for, and you
replace or repair them periodically, then the E39 (which is what I own)
M54 engine *is* a very reliable vehicle!
But - you'd have to:
a) Replace the plastic DISA valve with Gary's titanium replica
b) Replace the PBT Hella adjusters with EAC's aluminum replica
c) Replace the entire Behr cooling system with Zionsville aluminum
d) Replace the Graf composite water pump with Stewart metal impellers
e) Rebuild the Bosch 5.7 ABS control module (resolder power wires)
f) Replace the Kuster nylon window regulator rollers with SS rollers
Note: Very few people here actually seem to know what they're talking
about. And that's sad. At least you seem to, which is good.
I totally agree with the theory on that, but in recent experience, in a
small town, that customer will leave the premises, and proceed to tell
everyone he meets that day that the shop "tried to rip him off"...when
of course the shop just wanted him to leave.
that's the risk you run, but i'd rather that personally than have them
run all over town making up stories about whether or not you can do your
job. but this started out as a way to discourage jerks, so it's all
academic unless you have the ability to spot them first. if they're a
jerk and they run their mouth, chances are, only other jerks will listen.
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 03:15:52 +0000 (UTC), blue bmw
I don't recall the specifics of what to do with each dot but my
thoughts are that the dot(s) on the rim is nearly meaningless if the
car has been driven more then 15,000 miles on normal roads. Esp the
"low spot" dot. It may have been the low spot before the rim was
banged around for 15K + miles but whether it's the low spot anymore
seems like a crapshoot. If the rims have any road rash, ditto for the
"light spot". Of the two, if I was going to attempt to use the spots,
I'd use the low spot dot and match it to the tires high spot dot. But
instead of telling the shop to "match these two different colored
dots" I would get a big yellow grease pencil and just draw a big
yellow line on the inside sidewall of the tire and a big yellow line
on the inside of the rim where those dots are and ask that they line
up those lines when they mount the tire. Most of the shops I've been
to would pull that big rim weight off first thing. Those little stick
on weights they might leave on till they see how it spins in the
balance machine. You have the option of just scraping them off
yourself of asking them to before the start balancing it. That's kind
of a hard call not knowing if those weights were there mostly because
the previous set of tires needed them or if they are there because the
rim needed them. I tend to think that BMW would expect the naked rims
to be pretty well balanced when new so I'd be inclined to scrape them
all off myself before taking them to the shop just so they won't be
tempted to leave em one and balance them out with even more weight.
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 00:37:06 -0700, Ashton Crusher wrote:
I appreciate your help and advice, and, well, I do understand what you're
saying (in that wheels change over time) ...
However, sheer logic says that, if the wheel match-mounting mark were really
therefore meaningless for replacement tires, then, (most) replacement tires would
not have any need for the *legal requirement* that the high spot & heavy
spot be marked (since the vast majority of replacement tires do *not* go on
brand new unused wheels).
So, that belies logic (although the government isn't known to be logical).
Actually, for all but aluminum rims, the algorithm is explained in the
following articles I read before posting to this newsgroup:
1. Motor magazine article on match mounting for aluminum wheels:
2. Bridgestone pamphlet on match mounting:
3. Bridgestone magazine article on match mounting:
4. Yokohama article explaining the "Uniformity" and "Weight" methods of match mounting:
5. Yokohama TSB on match mounting:
6. Rubber Manufacturers Association tire booklet (See Chapter 2, page 33 "Match Mounting"):
7. Tire Rack article on match mounting:
My problem is in what the significance of the dimple is in the stock BMW
BBS aluminum rims, since all these articles imply there is no match-mounting
point in the aluminum wheels (yet, contradictory words are in the articles
which state that the marks are mandatory by wheel manufacturers).
I'll call BBS to see what I can find out about that notch in my BBS wheels.
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