You cited 2 studies from different sources trying to prove different
things and you are shocked they do not say exactly the same thing.
Any when site with "stop smoking" in it's URL is going to be using
skewed data to make it's point. We still have to talk about dosage and
TLVs if we want to talk about inhalation hazards. Anything else is
But we are singling out one of those sources for arrest and
prosecution while accepting all others.
There are people who get sick looking at gay people but that does not
mean it should be an illegal activity. This is just political
correctness run amok. The anti smoking crowd is telling smokers they
can't even have a bar dedicated to smokers, far from anyone who might
be offended by it. They say they need "equal access" to that bar so
they can be offended and close it down. Smokers seem to be the only
group of people who have no rights in this country.
Explain why there can't be a "smoker bar" or restaurant. If you are
offended or fear for your life, don't go near the place.
We abolished slavery 151 years ago. If the employees don't want to
work around smokers, they can seek employment elsewhere.
We had 2 restaurants here, same franchise, less than a mile apart. The
owner wanted to make one smoking and one non-smoking. The smoke
ninnies were not happy with that and he ended up closing the smoking
one. This was a BBQ joint that was full of hickory smoke all the time,
selling high fat foods. (the last place I know of that still fries
potatoes in animal fat) Health freaks would not go to either of them.
So fix the HVAC problem if you want a smoking bar. OSHA has plenty of
rules about fresh air makeup and air quality in environments a lot
more dangerous than a little tobacco smoke.
I worked in computer rooms when smoking was legal and the smoke was
never a problem., The amount of air moving through there pretty much
made it gone in seconds. I was a lot more worried about paper dust and
other airborne chemicals from laser drums and such.
On 5/29/2016 9:17 AM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Is that equal opportunity under the law? No.
Business owners are wising up to their legal obligations regarding the
environment their workers have to live in every day.
Workers who are not currently protected by state or local laws that
create smoke-free workplaces nevertheless have legal options available.
For example, an employee could file a workers’ compensation claim
against an employer for illness or injury attributable to exposure to
secondhand smoke on the job. Such claims may increase an employer’s
workers’ compensation premiums, an employee could file a disability
discrimination claim that an employer failed to provide a “reasonable
accommodation”—in this instance protection from exposure to secondhand
smoke—if the worker has a disability (such as asthma) that is
exacerbated by exposure to secondhand smoke, or an employee could file a
claim that the employer failed to provide a safe workplace, based on a
common law duty."
On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 11:25:23 AM UTC-4, Muggles wrote:
Yes it is. If you don't like working in a bar or restaurant that
allows smoking, then don't, there are plenty others, right now
most of them, that don't allow smoking. You don't want to work
in a slaughter house or coal mine, you don't. See how simple that is?
What you just cited is another example of how the zealots work.
They are never satisfied and will never stop. Above they are using
FUD and threats of legal action. Just what this country needs, more
lawsuits. If you have a restaurant and want to allow smoking, the
employees know about it, there is no such legitimate case. But with
a few million bucks from lib whackos, they sure could drag you through
hell and ruin you anyway.
And want to know why you can't get any more gun laws through Congress,
why the NRA is opposed to all of them? Because they see how these libs
operate. They are never satisfied, whatever is passed is never enough,
it's just one more step to make us all conform to their rules, their
was of life. That's not my America.
On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 12:04:22 PM UTC-4, Muggles wrote:
Then ban offshore fishing, logging, etc. They are dangerous, have risks
to your health too. Some people might not have a choice and could wind
up there too. Of course, this whole issue about there not being a choice
is pure BS. You don't want to work in the bar that allows smoking,
work somewhere else, it really is that simple. This is just typical lib
BS, that people are being "forced" to work in smoking bars. YOU are
the one forcing people to conform to your ways. I say leave them free
re to secondhand
I answered that below, read it:
Why is it so hard to grasp that if I want to host a cigar dinner in a
private room at a restaurant and all those involved are OK with it,
it should not be
up to you to force us to not do it? Why is it so hard to grasp that
if some people want to have their own bar, where smoking is allowed,
that it's OK? No one is forcing you to go there. YOU are forcing us.
The trace chemicals in a whiff of smoke is NOT dangerous and you will
have a hard time finding real facts to prove it. Anyone can write a
"study" and cherry pick a few data points to "prove" their assertion.
If you are not actually providing data about a particular dose, and
establishing the threshold limit values you are not saying anything.
That is straight from OSHA. This "second hand smoke" thing is a red
herring unless you actually establish some values for how much smoke
you are talking about.
It is still true that most of the people who call themselves "Liberal"
and those who call themselves "Conservative" are usually neither.
They both want an obtrusive government to back their particular
On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 10:18:20 AM UTC-4, email@example.com wrote:
Agree. The classic example is that here and in many places, you can't
even have a once a month cigar dinner in a private room at a restaurant.
That's where the zealots have brought us. And I think you can probably
add that to the list of reasons the angry mob is behind Trump. They are
fed up with this crap.
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