Where should smoking be illegal?

[Muggles]

When you smoke in a room like that, the smoke and all the chemicals and carcinogens in that smoke is absorbed into the furniture, carpet, window curtains or shades, everything.

[notbob]

True.

And how do we "zealots" deal with insanely inconsiderate friends? I have a friend who smokes. He's a rarity cuz he's still young, while most of us are old geezers who have given up smoking. Anyway, his clothes stink of cigarette smoke, his breath stinks of cigarette smoke, and he tosses his cigarette filters all over the place, calling it, "no big thing". Yeah, why I gotta clean 'em up, then? I've got a baggie with a buncha discarded cigarette filters in it. He claims, "they musta fell outta my pocket". Yeah, and God loves little green apples..... but little green apples are not tossing cigarette butts all around my property.

They should outlaw cigarette filters!

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[trader_4]

There are still some places that are the exception. Funny thing, here in the Peoples Republic of NJ, you can't smoke at any bar, restaurant, etc. Can't even have a once a year cigar dinner. But they still do allow smoking in some sections of the casinos. Interesting. The state gets a cut of the revenue. So, they don't mind screwing with all the other businesses, but the one that they get a big cut from, well that they have different rules for. It's just another example of hypocritical libs.

[notbob]

I always suspected you were a moron. Thank you for confirming it.

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[Muggles]

If you'd like to debate a different topic, start another thread. This topic is about smokers and smoking, right?

Moving the goal posts and trying to change the subject doesn't change the facts about smoking or secondhand smoke and it's dangers.

Your exaggerating my reaction. I don't go ballistic - I GET SICK from secondhand smoke. Those are 2 separate responses. One is an emotional response, and the other is a physical response that can't be controlled, unlike an emotional response CAN be controlled.

[trader_4]

Wrong again. The bar and restaurant owners had no choice in the matter. The libs shoved it down their throats with BANS. That's how the vast majority of bars became smoke free. Why can't we be left free to choose?

[trader_4]

When you're walking into a building is a good example. How did that become an issue? Well the anti-smoking zealots first banned smoking inside buildings. So, smokers go outside and stand near the entrance. So, next the zealots claim that just walking by there, catching a brief whiff is intolerable. So, they passed another law making smokers stand

25 or 50 ft away. Then, that wasn't good enough, so in some cases, they passed laws preventing you from smoking anywhere on a property. That's what the lib zealots do. They won't be satisfied until everyone lives the way they insist they must live. Then, they are already starting on how much fat you can eat, what size soda you can buy. Maybe that's your America, it's not mine.

[trader_4]

Well, there you go again, off into loony land. Folks, it's starting. I'm sure that everyone else here knows that a "puff" means you have the cigarette in your mouth and you are inhaling. Therefore the effects of a "puff" are going to be very different than a whiff from 10 ft away. It's like saying a whiff from a bus passing by is the same as sucking on the exhaust, so the effects are the same.

Your inability to distinguish between a puff and a whiff from 10 ft away shows that you're one of them.

[Muggles]

Some people don't have a choice but to work where ever they can find a job. It's the employers duty to provide a safe work place for all of their employees.

Zealots?? How do you figure?

It's a public health issue, and it's been proven that secondhand smoke hurts people. Why's that so hard to grasp?

[Muggles]

People used to smoke outside the entrance to a job I worked at. The company told them they had to smoke away from the entrance, but it was always like walking through a cloud. Despite having a butt disposal container nearby, all the butts ended up on the ground. It not only stank to high heaven there, but company guests would enter that door and it was a horrific representation of the companies first impression.

Eventually, smoking there was banned and moved to the back side of the building.

[Muggles]

You're free to smoke in your own environment where your secondhand smoke can't harm other people.

[dadiOH]

Good grief!

I'm glad I won't be around all that much longer, don't want to see what you people have wrought.

[dadiOH]

So don't go there.

How about your house? How much formaldehyde is offgassing from your various furnishings?

[Muggles]

It stinks, makes me physically ill, causes me breathing problems for hours after I have one whiff, and I can't hold my breath long enough to pass a smoker to ONLY get just one whiff. More than one whiff makes me even sicker.

I'm not a liberal - I'm a conservative, and it's a good idea to limit secondhand smoke.

[Muggles]

A puff becomes a whiff and doesn't stay a puff. Hello?

[dadiOH]

So is drinking. So is biting ones fingernails. So are a host of other things.

Believe it or not, there are a bunch of people that just don't want the government, you or anyone else what they can and cannot do.

That's fine...if the owner wants to run a smoke free place, he should be - and is - free to do so. However, when they pass laws FORCING him to do so, they have stepped over the line.

[Muggles]

When someone elses right or freedom harms me or someone else, that right becomes limited. That's a logical response.

The problem with smoking areas in public places is the smoke doesn't STAY in the smoking areas.

[dadiOH]

I know why. It's because their sense of smell returned. Many years ago I quit smoking for about a month.

After two weeks, I was constantly assailed by noxious odors...car exhaust, cooking odors in restaurants, body odors in theaters (and everywhere else), public restrooms, perfumes with which people tried to nask their body odor. Et cetera.

[notbob]

Let us not forget.... wait for it..... chewing gum!!

I guess the fact that there is no smell to offend, it's not as noticeable. BUT..... I've seen tons of discarded, flattened, chewing gum wads outside buildings.

One was so blatant and obvious, I wanted to get a photograph. The sun hit a jillion flattened chewing gum "coins" and the entrance to this one particular mall lit up like a diamond display. I jes happened to see the same phenomena on some newscast video shots.

I bet there is tons! of discarded chewing gum, all over the world. No outcry. No hissy fits. Why? No one can smell old chewing gum.

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[Muggles]

hmmm I guess it's not carcinogenic, either! lol