On 5/29/2016 2:23 AM, email@example.com wrote:
The topic is smoking, so the OP singled out smoking as the topic.
No, I disagree. It's a fact that secondhand smoke has caused health
problems for people for a long time. We're finally getting around to
logically responding to that issue.
Smoking isn't a right - it's a want, a bad habit.
It seems restaurant owners don't want to cater to just smokers because
that eliminates a growing population of people who would not ever become
patrons of that business because of the health hazards there.
On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 11:08:45 AM UTC-4, Muggles wrote:
Wrong again. The bar and restaurant owners had no choice in the matter.
The libs shoved it down their throats with BANS. That's how the vast
majority of bars became smoke free. Why can't we be left free to choose?
So is drinking. So is biting ones fingernails. So are a host of other
Believe it or not, there are a bunch of people that just don't want the
government, you or anyone else what they can and cannot do.
That's fine...if the owner wants to run a smoke free place, he should be -
and is - free to do so. However, when they pass laws FORCING him to do so,
they have stepped over the line.
We are questioning whether you are actually harmed or simple offended.
OK fine but why can't I have a smoking restaurant that you do not need
to go into?
I have heard tea totallers say the smell of alcohol offends them too
(even to the point of sickness) but we just tell them to stay out of
On 5/29/2016 12:55 PM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
It's a fact secondhand smoke harms people, and I'm one of them.
OTOH, it would be offensive if someone knew I got sick from secondhand
smoke and deliberately lit up and blew smoke in my face.
There's a difference.
Right now there are places like that. I don't know for how long they'll
May 2016 15:08:41 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:
That's your way of writing that you don't actually have enough
knowledge of the subject to support the position you're taking on it.
Please provide some scientific studies to support what you're now
stating as a fact. I'm not convinced that these health issues are
directly related to 2nd hand smoke vs something else they were
Are you having difficulty remaining on topic here?
Speaking of real, actual, health hazards.. Have you stopped driving
while talking on your cell phone yet? Or, do you still think that
using a hands free device makes you a safer cell phone using driver?
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Hmmm. I most certainly don't understand how I can access a copy of a
On Saturday, May 28, 2016 at 11:57:37 PM UTC-4, Muggles wrote:
Yes and like Gfre, I say that a whiff of smoke from a smoker who's
ten feet away, isn't going to kill me. Nor will you be killed by a cigar
dinner in a private room at a restaurant that you don't go to, but
in many places, that's banned too.
On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 11:44:04 AM UTC-4, Muggles wrote:
When you're walking into a building is a good example. How did that
become an issue? Well the anti-smoking zealots first banned smoking
inside buildings. So, smokers go outside and stand near the entrance.
So, next the zealots claim that just walking by there, catching a brief
whiff is intolerable. So, they passed another law making smokers stand
25 or 50 ft away. Then, that wasn't good enough, so in some cases, they
passed laws preventing you from smoking anywhere on a property. That's
what the lib zealots do. They won't be satisfied until everyone lives
the way they insist they must live. Then, they are already starting on
how much fat you can eat, what size soda you can buy. Maybe that's
your America, it's not mine.
It stinks, makes me physically ill, causes me breathing problems for
hours after I have one whiff, and I can't hold my breath long enough to
pass a smoker to ONLY get just one whiff. More than one whiff makes me
I'm not a liberal - I'm a conservative, and it's a good idea to limit
You are the same kind of "conservative" who wants to impose your
morality on everyone else.
That word has lost its meaning and become the same big government
fascism we used to ascribe to liberals. The only difference is which
rights you want to erode.
Your "sickness" is more learned behavior than fact ... unless that
charcoal grill and fireplace down the street also makes you sick.
The actual chemicals are virtually the same.
On Saturday, May 28, 2016 at 11:20:32 PM UTC-4, Muggles wrote:
Notice the word "puff"? They aren't talking about a whiff of a cigarette
from 10 ft away.
4 Smoking causes a chronic (or long term)
Notice the word "smoking"? They aren't talking about a whiff of a cigarette
from 10 ft away.
It induces chronic irritation of the respiratory lining and
Typical blather from zealots. There is all kinds of junk science out
there, where the desperate zealots try to shove their BS down your
throat. Brief secondhand smoke can cause heart disease? OMG,
who would actually believe that crap? I get one whiff from a cigarette
and I have heart disease?
And how do we "zealots" deal with insanely inconsiderate friends? I
have a friend who smokes. He's a rarity cuz he's still young, while
most of us are old geezers who have given up smoking. Anyway, his
clothes stink of cigarette smoke, his breath stinks of cigarette
smoke, and he tosses his cigarette filters all over the place, calling
it, "no big thing". Yeah, why I gotta clean 'em up, then? I've got a
baggie with a buncha discarded cigarette filters in it. He claims,
"they musta fell outta my pocket". Yeah, and God loves little green
apples..... but little green apples are not tossing cigarette butts
all around my property.
They should outlaw cigarette filters!
People used to smoke outside the entrance to a job I worked at. The
company told them they had to smoke away from the entrance, but it was
always like walking through a cloud. Despite having a butt disposal
container nearby, all the butts ended up on the ground. It not only
stank to high heaven there, but company guests would enter that door and
it was a horrific representation of the companies first impression.
Eventually, smoking there was banned and moved to the back side of the
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