The trace chemicals in a whiff of smoke is NOT dangerous and you will have a hard time finding real facts to prove it. Anyone can write a "study" and cherry pick a few data points to "prove" their assertion. If you are not actually providing data about a particular dose, and establishing the threshold limit values you are not saying anything. That is straight from OSHA. This "second hand smoke" thing is a red herring unless you actually establish some values for how much smoke you are talking about.
It is still true that most of the people who call themselves "Liberal" and those who call themselves "Conservative" are usually neither. They both want an obtrusive government to back their particular crusades.
You cited 2 studies from different sources trying to prove different things and you are shocked they do not say exactly the same thing. Any when site with "stop smoking" in it's URL is going to be using skewed data to make it's point. We still have to talk about dosage and TLVs if we want to talk about inhalation hazards. Anything else is pure hyperbole.
She lives in a trailer. Do you really want to ask her about the formaldehyde issue? :) I see that some things do not change. New nym, different newsgroup, same character flaws present, though. IE: same old Jenn. nothings changed. I do see she's gotten over her 'fear' quite well. :)
You should ask her about the subject of using a cell phone with a hands free device while driving; safe or unsafe. The last time I did, she claimed because her hands were free, this was a safe thing to be doing. I can't find any studies to support the conclusion, though. The ones I did find seem to indicate a common issue; your hands might be on the wheel, but your mind is on that conversation. IE: you aren't paying attention to what you're doing.
Might be one reason why they're illegal in various states, eh? Hands free or not. Don't talk on your cell while you're driving.
Do you have any actual links to any supporting evidence? published studies, etc? No offense, but .gov isn't exactly... suggesting honesty and integrity there.
The last time I ate out in Virginia, smoking was not only allowed, but encouraged. I found a clean, ash tray at every table. :) I don't smoke very often, but, I do enjoy being able to light one up every now and then. It's certainly no worse for me than breathing in the crap spewed forth from the vehicles people insist on driving around here. If that's not enough, we have the Eastman chemical company here. I'm *sure* whatever it's emitting is totally safe for me to be inhaling. Right! :-) When they ignite it, it makes several different colored flames from the stacks. Sometimes, it just vents without being ignited. I'm sure whatever it is (steam? rofl.. could be.. doubtful it's pure steam though) is completely safe and the EPA knows all about it.
Let's not even mention the papermill I lived near when I was a kiddo. I had to smell that stinky bastard every morning on the walk to school. Muggles, who can I sue over that? I'm sure it had to do something bad to me. Stunt my growth, mebbe. Keep me from making a kickass jumpshot once? Who knows...
We have a paper processing plant here too. If you're downtown during certain times of the day on certain days, it's super stinky, like the papermill in Berlin, NH. If I can smell it, I'm obviously inhaling it, and I suspect, strongly suspect, it's probably worse for me than second hand smoke I might/might not even be around for days.
We also have wood burning stoves here. outdoor BBQ pits of various styles. Some generate piles of smoke. Some very pleasant smelling. [g] We have a nascar track in Bristol. I'm certain the fumes emitted to race around an oval track have to be worse for me than second hand smoke. The smoke generated as they 'warm up the tires' for drag racing nights can't be good for me. It's literally, burning rubber.
Yet, nobody is getting sued for it Nobody is trying to have it shut down. Diesel trucks, holy shit, pollution city. I suspect that thick black cloud from a truck 'rolling coal' is far worse for me than if I smoked a cig directly myself, let alone being exposed to second hand smoke.
That's your way of writing that you don't actually have enough knowledge of the subject to support the position you're taking on it.
Please provide some scientific studies to support what you're now stating as a fact. I'm not convinced that these health issues are directly related to 2nd hand smoke vs something else they were exposed to.
Are you having difficulty remaining on topic here?
Speaking of real, actual, health hazards.. Have you stopped driving while talking on your cell phone yet? Or, do you still think that using a hands free device makes you a safer cell phone using driver?
Wrong. Certain 'taste like sugar/sweet without actually being sugar' chemicals have been determined to be carcinogenic and have since been removed from the products and replaced with something else that'll probably also be determined as 'bad for you' at a later date.
Do you drink soda, Jenn? Chew gum? You've probably injested these wonderful second hand smoke free, cancer causing chemicals, and, never realized it.
Oh what mess it is when you want to outlaw things that are 'bad for you' Your hands free cell phone driving is bad for you and everyone else you share the road with. We should have laws against it. Oh wait, rofl, we already do. :-)
You might wanna talk to big pharma if you have an issue with the sale of addictive drugs (which are known for sure to be dangerous and lethal if taken in the wrong dosages or mixed with other drugs) to our young and old people. They don't discriminate.
They make the tobacco industry look like cub-scouts by comparison. They've got it locked down. They're so good at it, the illegal drugs are worried they'll be out of business, and, the feds won't even have to do anything. 'Worried about getting busted John? No Jim, I'm worried about lost sales of cocaine to aderol. It's kicking my ass and it's pharmas" Kids these days would rather pop a pill than do a nice line.. you know it's bad when that's the word on the street. LOL
I'd probably still smoke if I could have the occasional cig with no addiction. I was close to a pack a day when I quit 40 years ago. One or two a month is not a big deal but 20 a day sure is.
I guess that may be why I am ambivalent about it. I can smoke half a cigar with the guys, put it away and not think of it again. I am around smokers all the time and not feel the urge. As I said in my other note, almost everyone in my family smoked and most of them are dead from it. The notable one who didn't lived to be 100. Lesson learned and the government had nothing to do with it.
On the face of it, this does make sense. Using a cell phone (or CB radio, or even adjusting the volume on an AM/FM radio) will cause some distraction, hands-free or not.
Everyone seems on board regarding texting while driving, or using phones that require manual operation.
But what about smoking in a car, or eating a high-dexterity snack? Most jurisdictions have laws against doing *anything* likely to impair driving efficiency, and yet we still see people reading newspapers and applying make-up.
That's no joke about reading newspapers. When was van pooling for a couple of years, I got a chance to study the surrounding traffic and regularly saw people reading newspapers while driving.
And I don't mean furtive glances.... I mean they were *reading* that sucker.
I have no clue how somebody does that.... but have to conclude that some people are vastly better at doing two things at the same time than I ever will be.
Be cautious about the cigars. In the place where I worked for 25 years, I saw several people start smoking cigars thinking they were non-addictive... and they were.... for awhile... but eventually they wound up sucking on a cigarette for much of the working day.
I don't have the problem. I never thought I "needed" a smoke and I can have a cigar or pass. I am always around cigarettes and I pretty much never participate. If I do, I rip the filter off and smoke it backward to make it as nasty as possible, I don't finish it and I am done for another 5 years or so. You do get a little buzz from tobacco but only the first puff. After that you won't get anything more unless you lay off a year or so.
Yes, the gum. You can get nicotine gum. There's also nicotine patches and e-cigarettes. If you want nicotine there's better ways to get it than those stinking "cancer sticks".
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