Where can I buy a large analogue meter?

Apr 14, 2022 Last reply: 4 years ago 313 Replies

Come now, risc processors have been used for three decades now, the compiler guys are really really good at generating quality code for all of them.

As for the "more ram" for code, that's not necessarily true either, as all risc instructions are fixed (2 or 4 bytes depending) while the intel instructions can be much longer than 4 bytes; plus the variable length instructions on x86 complicate instruction decoding and make out-of-order execution more complicated.

Fact is that the Apple Aarch64 processor is better than the intel processors in almost every way, including performance per watt.

How much energy does the process of making alcohol use[*]? Where does that energy come from? It's hardly carbon neutral.

[*] I used to work at a grain processing plant that turned corn into alcohol on an industrial scale. It uses _a lot_ of energy make the alcohol (coal in the '70s, a mix of CH4, coal and wind today).

I'd bet on batteries anyday.

No modern programmer is good at anything, especially tight coding. Give them a computer from the 80s and they'd have trouble writing a calculator program to fit into 64KB.

I had a '73 but after I piled it up one foggy morning I switched to Camaros and Firebirds. The 2nd generation of Mustangs were Pintos with lipstick. It took Ford a long time to get back to a real car.

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There's a guy who must have NDA's up the wazoo...

I've got a 5500U in my laptop. It's a 7nm Zen2 unlike the 5600U Zen3 but I have no complaints for a $700 laptop.

On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Apr 2022 15:31:56 +0100) it happened "Commander Kinsey" snipped-for-privacy@nospam.com wrote in snipped-for-privacy@ryzen.lan:

Well, I have written loads of programs for x86 in C for Unix / Linux Ported all I use to Raspberries.. The breaking point is sometimes the libraries, I try to avoid linking in libraries anyways if possible, I had to port some existing ones and change those. So its work, but everything I normally use now also runs on raspis. My PC is off these days, 5 raspberries in the room, 3 on 24/7, 1 on all day as router, and 1 for experiments. Only time PC is on is for adjusting satellite dish and HAM radio QO100 stuff that software has already been recompiled on the raspi, needs a new USB DVB-S2 tuner compatible with the Linux kernel. Low priority. Surviving WW3 comes first ? Anyways one big EMP and all those cellphones and puters and electric power are no more. Then you need an abacus :-)

On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Apr 2022 16:46:46 +0100) it happened "Commander Kinsey" snipped-for-privacy@nospam.com wrote in snipped-for-privacy@ryzen.lan:

What's a modern programmer? One that uses that snake language 'python' or so? I like to code in asm for Microchip PIC micros, there is a lot you can do with 256 bytes RAM and 16 kB ROM.

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from the eighties, CP/M clone:
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So if he makes an Intel chip based on ideas in Apple, how do they prove it? It's like saying that song sounds a bit like that one.

That's 0.4 of the speed of my desktop. Laptops suck.

How much work is it? And can everything be ported? You could do a lot of good on the boinc projects.

Some people backup to optical just in case.

You sound like a real programmer. As it happens I'm having a lot of problems with Python. Some idiot managed to make the program require AVX, when 50% of the users had CPUs predating that.

On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Apr 2022 17:55:45 +0100) it happened "Commander Kinsey" snipped-for-privacy@nospam.com wrote in snipped-for-privacy@ryzen.lan:

Depends, I had problems with libforms, they dropped right and middle mouse, contacted the developer but used an old version and recompiled that on raspi, renamed it libzorms.... (to avoid conflict with any newer version) works.. The gcc compiler is very very good, so its not that hard, it is more getting used to things. Much has been ported to ARM / raspi for Debian, often all it needs is 'apt-get install library-name'

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media last very very long in the dark, I also used some M_Discs that box hold a thousand CD-R, CD-RW, DVD-R, DVD-RW, Blu-ray discs and is full. Now I backup daily to 3 TB USB drives... two, in case I drop one.

On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Apr 2022 17:56:59 +0100) it happened "Commander Kinsey" snipped-for-privacy@nospam.com wrote in snipped-for-privacy@ryzen.lan:

I have never written anything in Python, and have no intention to learn it. C is <in my view> much simpler.

Just how much data have you got?! That is a lot of disks.

Depends on how you do it and what you start with. Bugger all if you start with sugars and use yeast.

Depends on how you do it, dont need energy if you use yeast.

True.

It doesn't if you start with sugars.

I wouldn't given the numerous advantages with ic engines.

One product I worked on was a handheld pH / ion concentration meter that used an 8049.

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I did the pH meter and another programmer did the ion concentration. Reading the electrode value from the A/D and driving the user interface was the same for both products but the math was sufficiently different that 2K wasn't enough to do both.

There was also a benchtop meter/auto-titrator that used a Z-80. 64K was a real luxury.

In reply to Scott Lurndal, yeah the compiler guys have gotten really good after 3 decades...

I have a mouse driver that's 130MB. WTF? That's over 3 times the size of the hard disk on a PC I had in 1991. What does the mouse driver do? Watch for left and right and a few button presses? In 1991 I think it was 30KB. 4000 times less efficient programming, we've really come far.

I think it was Python somebody recently said in a newsgroup that a compiled "hello world" program was 60KB. Beyond a joke.

On a sunny day (Sun, 17 Apr 2022 18:42:23 +0100) it happened "Commander Kinsey" snipped-for-privacy@nospam.com wrote in snipped-for-privacy@ryzen.lan:

I dunno, many are CD-R from many many years ago, with all sort of things, even movies. For more recent data this is sda2 from a Raspberry Pi4 with 4 GB RAM: /dev/sda2 3844510712 3239539624 409610424 89% /mnt/sda2

so 89 % of a 4 TB Toshiba USB harddisk That includes images of SDcard, some distros, what not. Logs.. I have radiation logs that go back years for example. Backups of the website... smartphone, legal stuff, financial stuff, all code I wrote, security videos, all emails of the last 20 years or so, pictures I took and videos I made, many Usenet postings I saved back over the last 20 years, easy with the newsreader I wrote it has a search function, etc etc.., datasheets... But even Linux 'locate' will find things in seconds.

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