wet phone

One of my cell phones would go weeks without needing a charge when off

OTOH, my cordless phones don't even have a switch to turn them off. They last 2 or 3 days now but they'd last 10 days or more if I could turn them off. I'd still hear the ringers on the base station and the western electric phone in the basement.

Chloride.

t all, cell phones are technically always on (like most things today, it's a "soft" off).

Odd thing today, we all went swimming a the local State Park...was in the w ater more than a half hour...then I noticed something in my baggy swim shor ts, you guessed it...flip-phone. Remove battery and SIM, dried it, shook it , blew it out with air and put it in rice...we'll see what happens. micky gave me bad karma...

The AC compressor on most vehicles today runs any time the HVAC system is in the defrost mode, unless it is VERY cold.

You mean a Peltier cooler? They work, but are not terribly efficient and can only transfer a limitted amount of heat (cause a limitted temperature reduction)

BIG problem with direct cooling - any moisture in the air in the compartment condenses out on the surface, drains down, and wets your phone. You want cool dried air circulating through the system with the compartment walls WARMER than the air flowing through. That way any moisture in the compartment is absorbed by the moving dry air and evacuated from the system.

Good to finally learn about that.

I used to have a friend who built** his own 2-story house near Woodstock NY. **Did much of the contruction himself, though he made at least one big mistake. He used log segments, so that one end showed on the outside and the other end on the inside, but didnt' seem to realize they would shrink when they dried. So there was an enormous amount of caulking, with cement iirc. There are loads of towns in upstate NY like woodstock, even with antique stores and, in the 70's, hippies, but his house had to be in woodstock so that he could tell people that's where he lived.

It was going to cost a fortune to run electric lines so I suggested the cooler, which even in the 70's was advertised in the JC Whtney catalog.

He went with a gneerator instead I guess so he could have light too. :) I forget how well the box that covered it worked.

He was a jerk and I knew it. But I tolerated medium-high levels of jerkiness as long as I didnt' see them often. I brought a date to his xmas party and he asked her all kinds of personal questions that normal people don't even ask people they've known for years. Then he danced with her girlfriend, who was really beautiful, but he groped her while they were dancing and she left.

He was a lawyer. While we were camping, I heard him tell someone he was a wood carver from Woodstock, but had "a straight gig in the city".

When we camped, it had to be in Hippie Hollow, even thogh there were no more hippies there than anyplace else, so he could tell his coworkers that he camped in Hippie Hollow.

We went camping with Rainbow (nothing to do with the R. Coalition) in North Carolina and I've done that before in Pennsylvania, but this time a few thosand people got sick. (The CDC investigated, sent me a long form and in return, later sent me their report on the cause etc.) His date had a 102.6 temperature and her 10-year old daughter had 103.6. I know that might not be fatal but it's not good either**. It took us

He said she was his girlfriend so it was his decision. I told him that applied to wives and husbands because there's a reason to believe they love each other, or at least are invested in each other, and will sacrifice their own good for the sake of the other's health (What was he sacrificing? He wanted to get back to NYC by 11 so he could have a full nights's sleep before work the next day) but if she died, or if say she got a lung disease and had to move to Arizona, he woudln't move with her. He'd just get another girl friend. We fought from the moutains of North Carolina to Baltimore and I don't think I've talked to him since. Eventually his father and mother died, his other girl friend told me, and they left him rich, or at least a millionaire. .

When we had gotten to the road outside the park The police offered to call a doctor but it would have taken an hour they said, about the same time it took to drive to the hospital, which of course has more people and more equipment.

And that's the story of the Peltier cooler.

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There is nothing wrong with using the A/C in the winter.

The owner's manual for both of my Hondas (and maybe my other cars too, I don't recall) specifically say that the A/C can be used year round to remove moisture from the vehicle to keep the windows clear.

In fact, the Honda manuals state that the A/C automatically comes on when the Defroster setting is selected.

My first car didn't have that in the manual, but I discovered that it would work better than the defroster when it wasn't too cold.

I started reading this...it became tedious and I fell asleep...zzzzzzz

It costs money.

That's more important than charging the phone.

Yeah, mine might do that too, but I almost always turn it off.

Except you cannot turn off the AC without shutting off the defroster.

Not on my Lebaron or Toyota. Each had/has a separate AC button. Sending almost all the air onto the windshiled stays the same, and iirc the fan speed is within my control.

I suppose it takes longer to defrost without the AC but it still does it.

I agree that you are mistaken...you need to turn it on and look at the compressor clutch...

I don't recall) specifically say that the A/C can be used year round to re move moisture from the vehicle to keep the windows clear.

hen the Defroster setting is selected.

Are you sure that you are actually turning it off? My Honda manuals state t hat if the A/C was not on prior to turning on the defroster, the A/C will c ome on but the A/C indicator will *not* illuminate.

I quote:

"Select Defrost. The system automatically switches to fresh air mode and tu rns on the A/C. The indicator in the A/C button will not come on (LX model) , or the A/C ON indicator will not come on (EX, EX-L and Touring models), i f the A/C was off to start with."

So, even though you say there is a separate A/C button in your vehicles (BT W I don't know of any vehicles where there *isn't* a separate A/C control) how do you know that you are actually turning it off? In my Hondas, the sy stem apparently overrides the A/C button.

I'm not sure what either of those comments have to do with the A/C being on or off when the Defroster is running. The Defroster mode is going to send "almost all the air onto the windshield" by virtue of the positioning of th e air flow control doors, regardless of whether the A/C is on or not.

Now, that would be your test: Simulate the exact conditions under which you get a specific amount of frost on your windshield. Then use the defroster in what you believe to be 2 different modes: A/C on and A/C off. Let us kno w what happens. We'll wait.

Why would anyone NOT want the AC on to defrost? Faster, thus safer. Won't cost but a penny or two a year in gas. IMO, it was a great idea.

te that if the A/C was not on prior to turning on the defroster, the A/C wi ll come on but the A/C indicator will *not* illuminate.

d turns on the A/C. The indicator in the A/C button will not come on (LX mo del), or the A/C ON indicator will not come on (EX, EX-L and Touring models ), if the A/C was off to start with."

(BTW I don't know of any vehicles where there *isn't* a separate A/C contr ol) how do you know that you are actually turning it off? In my Hondas, th e system apparently overrides the A/C button.

Apparently micky thinks it's a bad idea, money wise.

When I said "There is nothing wrong with using the A/C in the winter" he sa id "It costs money".

Perhaps he subscribes to that infamous economic practice of "saving money r egardless of the costs". ;-)

Pretty sure.

I don't think either of my car manuals said anything like that. The Lebaron manual is around here somewhere, but the car itself is in a beautiful graveyard in the Smoky Mountains, overlooking the Piedmont and the rising sun. So I can't check it, but I can check the Toyota.

I'm 99.9% sure my AC indicator DOES come on when I push the Defrost button, and then it goes out when I push the AC button.

Another test woudl be whethe the air is warmer after the AC light goes off, but that can be hard to tell. Just yesterday, I noticed that even though it was a warm day, the air from the vents seemed cooler than I expected, even though neither the Defrost or the AC was on.

If you read, _Hondas and Satanic Rituals_, by James Mephiisto you'll see that the Honda is the most deceitful of all car makes. This is not the first time its indicators have failed to tailed to tell the truth.

OTOH, in _Toyota and the Angels_ Maryann Faithful writes at length about how Toyotas will leave their parking places at night to deliver food for poor people.

It has to do with the defrost running. Whether I'm right ot not, I'd already said that the AC was off.

And that's most of what makes it Defrost mode.

You know I can't do that, because it takes a night of sitting there to have frost or even fog on the windshield. There's no reason to expect the next morning's supply of those things will be the same.

Anyhow, I admit it would take longer. I don't care exactly how much longer. But you can test and get back to us.

Of course not, but there is no cost. Not only that, there is no benefit to have it on once the windshiled is clear, but I've been known to drive for hours in defrost mode. Turning off the AC makes sure the AC is off.

oo, I don't recall) specifically say that the A/C can be used year round to remove moisture from the vehicle to keep the windows clear.

n when the Defroster setting is selected.

e defroster, the A/C will come on but the A/C indicator will *not* illumina te.

turns on the A/C. The indicator in the A/C button will not come on (LX mod el), or the A/C ON indicator will not come on (EX, EX-L and Touring models) , if the A/C was off to start with."

(BTW I don't know of any vehicles where there *isn't* a separate A/C contro l) how do you know that you are actually turning it off? In my Hondas, the system apparently overrides the A/C button.

Honda Corp is our friend and benefactor.

"How Snapdragon and Honda are working to save lives with smartphones"

My neighbor just bought a 2015 Toyota Camry. The big black grill opening on that thing is enough to scare small children and the elderly. As a matter of fact, I've noticed a decline in the amount of wildlife in my neighborhoo d since he brought it home. I think Toyota may have gone over to the dark s ide since Ms. Faithful penned her praises.

on or off when the Defroster is running.

True, but regardless of the A/C being on or off, I still don't see how your comment "Sending almost all the air onto the windshiled (sic) stays the sa me" relates to this issue. Turning the A/C on or off, either manually or au tomagically, isn't going to change where the air flows as long as the defro ster is on.

The same holds for "and iirc the fan speed is within my control." So what? Why is that relevant to this discussion?

ield" by virtue of the positioning of the air flow control doors, regardle ss of whether the A/C is on or not.

Uh...yeah. That still doesn't explain how your comments related to air flow and fan control have anything to do with the A/C being on or off in Defros t mode.

you get a specific amount of frost on your windshield. Then use the defrost er in what you believe to be 2 different modes: A/C on and A/C off. Let us know what happens. We'll wait.

Oh course I do. I'll try to warn you the next time I am being facetious.

No I can't, for the reasons I stated earlier. Unless my manual is lying to me, I cannot turn off my A/C when the defroster is on. It is you who has th e believe that you can control the A/C when the defroster is on, therefore you are the only one that can test it. I'm not saying you are wrong in your believe, only in your assertion that it is something *I* can test.

First, based on the use of the smiley, I'm sure you realize that I was joki ng. However, there is a cost. Unless you do not drive until the windows are perfectly clear and you pull over if they fog up while driving, then there is the "cost" of safety. Sure, if you never have an accident, then there i s no real cost, but there is the potential.

So your windows have never fogged up after they have initially cleared? Per haps that is because the A/C was actually on for all those hours while you were in defrost mode.

On any current model North American spec Toyota or Chrysler the AC comes on in defrost mode whether you have the AC switch turned on or not. ANd by current model, I'm talking roughly 10 years old or less. Definitely on anything with "climate control " and even some of the dealer installed kits on Toyota did even 25 years ago when I was installing them