I know we've heard this before but here is a first-hand story, at least
A friend writes:
Phone didn't work, even though battery had substantial charge.
At the T-Mobile service center, the rep opened the phone and showed me
that it was wet inside. Why? When I turned on the water at the
fountain, there was a surge that thoroughly doused my pants and sport
jacket. Even though the phone was in my shirt pocket underneath the
jacket and was partially protected by a rubberized case. enough water
managed to seep in to cause the phone to malfunction. The rep suggested
that before I opted for a replacement phone, I should disassemble the
phone (basically taking the battery and SIM card out) and immerse it in
bowl of uncooked rice for 24 hours. It worked! I mentioned this to a
number of people who were aware of this "folk remedy. Silica gel would
even be better as a desiccant, but it is not exactly a household item.
On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 01:51:13 -0400, email@example.com wrote:
If anyone should have that, it shoudl be T-mobile or a fix-it shop. Are
there any fix-it shops?
For my friend, it was more important to use the rice right away than
wait for the stuff to come in the mail.
BTW, I've heard of absorbents, but never sorbents. I'm sure there's a
joke there somewhere.
But thanks for the link. I'll send it to him. He won't likely buy any,
but I'm sure he's interested.
My reservation about all these suggested methods of drying out the phone
is that they do nothing about whatever dissolved salts that were in the
water, the residue of which could be conductive or otherwise harmful to
delicate electronics. My inclination would be to rinse it with deionized
or distilled water first, and only then dry it out by whatever method is
Evaporating the water leaves any disolved solids behind. Absorbing
the water with a dessicant leaves less behind, as it can absorb the
solids as well.
The secret is to get the battery out as soon as possible, and shake
out as much water as possible - avoid "wet shorts" that put voltage
where it does not belong - which can permanently kill the phone.
On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 12:05:04 PM UTC-4, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Really? Inquiring minds want to know when the water molecule leaves
the circuit board inside the phone, how does it know if it's going
to just wander off with the air into the breeze, or if it's going
to wind up in the desiccant that's outside the phone so it needs to
bring it's buddy solid molecules along? Does it phone ahead?
I'm sure I'll now be on Clare's double secret ignore list.
Just the facts.
On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 12:04:39 -0400, email@example.com wrote:
I have a feeling that even with the sorbant/absorbant, the water
evaporates and the increased humidity gets absorbed by the dessicant.
If you could get the desicant to touch the water, it would be different.
I'm sure. Although in my friend's case, the phone was on or he wouldn't
have known it wasn't working.
Once my stream flooded and my basement laundry room got wet, and the
next day the water heater started leaking, so I thought it was just the
first water not evaporating and the laundry room floor stayed wet for a
week or more, leading to mold and smell.
So I bought a 50 pound bag of calcium chloride or maybe calcium
carbonate? Whichever is a desicant. I put a piece of filigreed
masonite vertically in a bucket, with a bunch fhe crystals in one side.
And after 12 hours there was 2 or 3 inches of water in the other side
(both sides really, but I couldn't see the other side) I woudl pour
it out and get more water, and once or twice I added more crystals.
And the smell started to go away. But what was amazing is that
different steps on the stairs going to the main floor smelled different.
The stairs are carpeted. One step would smell bad and another smelled
fine. I would put the bucket on the bad step and in a few days the
smell was gone. Of course this makes no sense because the bucket is on
the step and my nose is 5 feet higher, where the air from all the steps
ought to merge together, unless it doesn't.
Anyhow, I put the bucket on each step eventually, and after a few days
each smelled fine and the smell has never come back.
I gave the reminaing 45 pounds to a gas station.
WRT the carpeted steps, only the first riser got wet at all, in fact the
water might not have gotten to that room, but there's enough humiidity
that once the mold was started, I think, though I didnt see, there was
morld in the room with the seps.
On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 05:43:50 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
So will the AC will have to run int he winter too? Including the
full-size compressor? Since the dash is in the passgenger compartment,
warmed by the heater?
"The system only runs when drivers turn on the HVAC system."
This is ambigous. If it had said only runs when drivers turn on the
AC**, that woudl answer my question, but they include the heat. So if
it's cold out and people are using the heat, that means the HVAC system
**I suppose this is what they mean but I just wish people woudl pay more
attenttion to what they say.
Why can't they use that semiconductor cooler, with no moving parts, like
is used in picnic coolers? Don't those work?
On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 20:58:55 -0400, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Good to finally learn about that.
I used to have a friend who built** his own 2-story house near Woodstock
NY. **Did much of the contruction himself, though he made at least one
big mistake. He used log segments, so that one end showed on the
outside and the other end on the inside, but didnt' seem to realize they
would shrink when they dried. So there was an enormous amount of
caulking, with cement iirc. There are loads of towns in upstate NY
like woodstock, even with antique stores and, in the 70's, hippies, but
his house had to be in woodstock so that he could tell people that's
where he lived.
It was going to cost a fortune to run electric lines so I suggested the
cooler, which even in the 70's was advertised in the JC Whtney catalog.
He went with a gneerator instead I guess so he could have light too. :)
I forget how well the box that covered it worked.
He was a jerk and I knew it. But I tolerated medium-high levels of
jerkiness as long as I didnt' see them often. I brought a date to his
xmas party and he asked her all kinds of personal questions that normal
people don't even ask people they've known for years. Then he danced
with her girlfriend, who was really beautiful, but he groped her while
they were dancing and she left.
He was a lawyer. While we were camping, I heard him tell someone he was
a wood carver from Woodstock, but had "a straight gig in the city".
When we camped, it had to be in Hippie Hollow, even thogh there were no
more hippies there than anyplace else, so he could tell his coworkers
that he camped in Hippie Hollow.
We went camping with Rainbow (nothing to do with the R. Coalition)
in North Carolina and I've done that before in Pennsylvania, but this
time a few thosand people got sick. (The CDC investigated, sent me a
long form and in return, later sent me their report on the cause etc.)
His date had a 102.6 temperature and her 10-year old daughter had 103.6.
I know that might not be fatal but it's not good either**. It took us
40 minutes to get out of the national park, to my car, and he didn't
want to take them to the hospital, because he said they'd get over it.
I was so glad I was the one with the car. The hospital was on the way
home, but 40 miles from the park and it took another hour to get there.
As it turned out, they just gave them a lot of water and watched them
for 3 or 4 hours, and they did get better in a couple days, but that
wasn't a decision for him to make. He got sick later that day and I
got sick the next day. Shigellosois I think it was, because they didnt
protect their water supply well enough from feces. The other 20 years
they didn't make that mistake.
He said she was his girlfriend so it was his decision. I told him that
applied to wives and husbands because there's a reason to believe they
love each other, or at least are invested in each other, and will
sacrifice their own good for the sake of the other's health (What was he
sacrificing? He wanted to get back to NYC by 11 so he could have a
full nights's sleep before work the next day) but if she died, or if say
she got a lung disease and had to move to Arizona, he woudln't move with
her. He'd just get another girl friend. We fought from the moutains of
North Carolina to Baltimore and I don't think I've talked to him since.
Eventually his father and mother died, his other girl friend told me,
and they left him rich, or at least a millionaire. .
**We agreed that even though it was July 4th weekend, the stream right
there was too cold to put the woman or her daughter in, but years later
someone explained to me that we should have wet towels in the strame and
applied them to their bodies, especially I think their foreheads and
heads, to cool them off. He knew nothing and neither did I, but at
least I knew how to drive to the hospital.
When we had gotten to the road outside the park The police offered to
call a doctor but it would have taken an hour they said, about the same
time it took to drive to the hospital, which of course has more people
and more equipment.
And that's the story of the Peltier cooler.
On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 12:11:02 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
BIG problem with direct cooling - any moisture in the air in the
compartment condenses out on the surface, drains down, and wets your
phone. You want cool dried air circulating through the system with the
compartment walls WARMER than the air flowing through. That way any
moisture in the compartment is absorbed by the moving dry air and
evacuated from the system.
On Monday, July 13, 2015 at 2:29:15 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
There is nothing wrong with using the A/C in the winter.
The owner's manual for both of my Hondas (and maybe my other cars too, I don't recall) specifically say that the A/C can be used year round to remove moisture from the vehicle to keep the windows clear.
In fact, the Honda manuals state that the A/C automatically comes on when the Defroster setting is selected.
On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 18:41:45 -0400, email@example.com wrote:
Not on my Lebaron or Toyota. Each had/has a separate AC button.
Sending almost all the air onto the windshiled stays the same, and iirc
the fan speed is within my control.
I suppose it takes longer to defrost without the AC but it still does
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