On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 23:38:19 -0000 (UTC), "Dove Tail"
All repealing the PLCAA is drive the business underground and we know
how great it turns out when we make things people want, illegal.
It really only affects the people who are not causing the problems.
Serious people in the shooting sports are the ones who buy most of the
guns and ammo. Criminals are likely to shoot you with the bullets that
were in the gun when it was stolen.
I guess you don't read the paper where you are. We hear about cops
having guns stolen out of their cars all the time and they even lose
real machine guns, not just their service handguns.
I also will contend that "serious shooters" do keep their guns locked
up because they generally have very expensive ones, unlike those who
buy a cheap gun, put it in their night stand and never shoot it.
Fred Meyer stores are located in Oregon, Washington, Idaho, and
Alaska. They are usually very large, combining a complete grocery
supermarket with a drugstore, clothing, shoes, fine jewelry, home
decor, home improvement, garden, electronics, toys, sporting goods,
and more under one roof.
On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 08:45:51 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
Meaningless to their status as a company with a chain of superstores.
1. a very large store, especially one stocking a wide variety of
A company could have one store and it could be considered a
On Sunday, March 18, 2018 at 1:02:59 PM UTC-4, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
I'd say it's you who can't learn from other areas of the country.
NJ for example. We have a very reasonable gun permit process, where
the local police do a background check and have to approve a permit.
In NJ, Cruz could not have walked into Dick's, (we have those here too),
and buy a gun. His permit would have been denied because that's where
all those red flags would have come together. The police had enough
just in their own files to deny it. But heh, no need to learn from
experience. Red flags! Red flags! What the people harping about
red flags don't get is that without a process where the red flags
come into play, red flags mean nothing. In FL, unless you're so nuts
that a shrink says you are a threat to yourself or others, or you
have a felony record, you can buy all the guns you want. And sadly,
the NRA and gun nuts want to keep it that way.
On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 10:16:52 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
So all you are saying is the rest of the country should do things like
they do in new jersey. I am surrounded by people who say that.
They come down here to get away from it all, then they want to bring
it all here.
BTW did you read that article? The cops were told there was nothing
wrong with Cruz by the county mental health facility so they would be
on pretty shaky ground unilaterally denying him a constitutional
right. (anywhere but NJ I suppose where the constitution is just a
On Sunday, March 18, 2018 at 2:34:22 PM UTC-4, email@example.com wrote:
No, I never said any such thing. I just gave you one specific and very
good example where you'd think FL could learn from the experience of
other states. Cruz would not have been able to walk into a gun store
and buy his guns here, he never would have gotten the permit.
I am surrounded by people who say that.
I suggest you're the one that needs to read. The mental health people
never told the police that there was "nothing wrong with Cruz".
Quite the contrary, the police were told that he was being treated
for mental illness. And
as I pointed out, in NJ the police would not even need the mental
health records that diagnosed him with mental disorders, they had
ample reason to reject a permit just for the history of 23 calls to
the house for all the various incidents, his school history, etc.
so they would be
See, just like I said, the NRA and gun nuts don't want a reasonable
permit process that could have easily prevented Cruz or the next
Cruz, from walking into a store and buying an AR15. Burpfart says
he should have had the Baker Act applied. You're right, that would
not have done anything, he was being constantly evaluated over at
least a few years by mental health pros, he was under treatment at
the time, but those pros did not judge him to be a threat to himself
or others. So, what's your solution? Oh, I remember now, it was
to put him in jail on a felony for shooting a bird. ROFL. My solution
is a permit process similar to what we have in NJ, where his permit
would have been rejected. But FL won't change, won't learn, so on we go,
with more massacres to come. How do you sleep at night?
On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 13:22:23 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
I am referring to this statement from the Sentinel article. " The
deputy who filed the report confirmed that Henderson and DCF were at
the visit and said Cruz showed no signs of mental illness or criminal
What would the basis be to deny a permit at that point? Was he on
"double secret probation"?
On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 12:26:46 AM UTC-4, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Then you're not looking very hard. There's been endless reporting on
the rest of it, including 23 calls to the house for punched walls,
violence, etc over just a few years. The police absolutely had that,
they have it now., they had it all the time. The one call you're referring
to is just ONE of the 23, where besides the police being called there,
they also brought in the state mental health people. And even what you
just read, says that deputy was to go check out the house, see if he had
a gun, because of what the police had been told was going on at the school
with Cruz. And remember they had a deputy permanently assigned to the
The problem is, in FL you have no system to prevent someone like Cruz
from walking in and buying guns.
I see, so you won't learn from experience, from past mistakes, and
figure out how to fix it with a reasonable permit process for buying
a gun. Instead, just let it happen again. The absurdity is all the
people saying "red flags, red flags, there were so many red flags".
That's right, but the problem is FL doesn't have a logical, reasonable
process to deal with those red flags and you're opposed to putting
a reasonable permit process, where those red flags come together
at the local police, like we have in NJ in place. The police even
already had plenty of info, that's where much of the info is coming
from now. Did they have enough info to have a judge declare him a
threat to himself and others and lock him into an institution? No.
But to any reasonable person, they sure had way more than enough to
deny him a permit. Even the gun nuts apparently agree, because they
are running around complaining about all the red flags too. Yet
no one will address the real problem, which is that there is no
place, no way with your existing lack of law and system, for those
red flags to come together, to be evaluated, to be used to deny him
from walking in and buying guns.
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