This is purely speculation on my part. Part of HD's problems are
due to to
the aging population. The baby boomers hit their second child hood and
have a motorcycle. Everyone knows it ain't a real bike unless it had
the HD sound.
Now the boomers need walkers more than a poker run.
There are 50,100 used Harleys for sale right now on Cycle Trader.
Hit make on the above page. The totals for sale will pop up in
I've got neighbors with motorcycles but the guy with the Harley is
annoying when he comes home at 1 am to wake the neighbors. Only
satisfaction I have is that when he is my age he will be stone deaf.
I used to bicycle and can understand the lure of the open road but one
day I had a shifting problem that tossed me over the handlebars to hit
the road at maybe 20 mph. Helmet saved my head but not my shoulder and
broken collar bone led to surgery to put in a plate which is still there
today. That noisy neighbor walks with a limp due to a motorcycle
accident that hospitalized him for a month but still rides his
motorcycle today. If I am on the road I want to be protected by seat
belt, air bags and steel.
On Friday, June 29, 2018 at 12:20:07 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
? Part of HD's problems
on Cycle Trader.
ls for sale will pop up in
es of motorcycles peaked
It's not the bikes, it's the owners. The stock pipes are fairly quiet.
Upon buying one, most owners either modify those or switch to pipes
that are louder. I have what I consider reasonable ones on mine,
louder than stock but nowhere near the straight pipes that the assholes
ride around on. I know of one town in PA that got fed up, they put
up a roadcheck on weekends when the bikers invade and if you had
illegal pipes, you got ticketed.
On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 17:13:12 -0400, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
And they don't associate the loud pipes with any danger to themselves
or others either. They are TOTALLY OBLIVIOUS to what is going on
around them. Those loud pipes could be ahead of them behind them,
beside them, or a block away.
I've owned and ridden bikes for years - one had a loud set of hooker
headers and it didn't make things any safer.
On 6/29/2018 5:13 PM, email@example.com wrote:
For starters, you can mainly hear the pipes from behind...what good is that?
Been riding for several decades and have traveled far and wide on my
bike. I never needed loud pipes and never went down. Yes, there are MANY
idiots out there and they are oblivious to anything around them
regardless of the noise. I'm aware of my surroundings and anticipate the
I think it has gotten more dangerous. Riders can't see over the
and pickups like we could over cars forty years ago. I've noticed
quite a few
vehicles with running lights. A motorcycle's headlight won't stand out as
I've had rice grinders all of my life. HDs weren't very reliable
when I started riding. And they have always been pricey.
My idea of a good time is to take a tour to where ever. I get to a
sign and decide left or right. I stop to read the hysterical markers along
the way. Nebraska has a few of those scattered around talking about long
gone towns, a battle against the Indians, or maybe a settler. I'll
make a lap or two through whatever towns I happen by. A lot of those
are withering. The railroad took another path or has closed down. The
farmers or ranchers that supported the towns are gone.
There's no substitute for the feeling of the open road one gets on a
You own the world. Wind noise outweighs any exhaust noise you'll hear
at highway speeds. Wear ear plugs. Some states, like Nebraska, have
I had a Honda Sabre way back when. 699cc. It was just under the 700cc
starting point for the tariffs President Reagan imposed to keep HD in
That might've been the best of the ones I've had. Shaft drive is nicer than
chain drive. Changing tires was easier with the shaft drive.
Gas mileage might disappoint you. Expect lower 40s unless there's a
strong tail wind.
On 06/28/2018 08:47 PM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Sonny Barger, arguably the most famous 1%er, has went on the record
saying he'd be riding a Honda ST1100 if it wasn't against the bylaws of
the club. In his book he talks up the Victory Vision which was his ride
at the time. victory had some good ideas but the Vision was a little too
weird for my taste.
Polaris phased out the Victory last year after they bought the Indian
name. Indian has more sales appeal to the traditional Harley audience.
This guy makes some damn good points. Polaris has the potential to go
off in new directions rather than trying to outbag the king of baggers.
I've never owned a Honda, nothing against the brand it just never
happened. I've wrenched on Yamahas, Suzukis, and Harleys. They've all
been pretty dependable but they all required TLC at times. The only one
that came home on a flatbed was a Suzuki when the stator fried itself. I
almost made it before the battery's last gasp.
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