The first portion of this message was posted by mistake, this is a continuation. The floor drain plug might also cause backups in basement toilets, laundry sinks or other basement drains. None of the homes affected in my town had backups affecting anything besides the basements. After learning about this problem, the only way I would have ever allow a basement toilet in my residence is if there were a highly reliable downstream backup prevention device in place. Otherwise, what would have been most helpful would have been a passive floor drain mechanism which can easily be retrofitted, and that, left in place, would allow the floor drain to work except when back pressure in the sewage line increased, at which point it would close. There is only one product I was able to find after an extensive search using Google, and it was far back in a long series of web pages. The product is "Flood-guard" (R), made by General Pipe Cleaners of McKees Rocks, PA, see their web site at
Sewer backup prevention Part 2 of 3
Art beat me to it. There is indeed danger of lifting the entire basement slab when a drain plug or a standpipe is used.
The joints in clay drain pipe are notoriously leaky and even a small backpressure will cause many substantial leaks under the slab. If you are there at the time of the backup, you can actually hear the joints spitting water.
Assume a slab which is 10' X 10'. That's 100 sq ft, which is
14,400 sq in. Now, lets say that there is only 1/2 PSI of pressure in the backed up sewer. If the leaky tile has flooded under the entire slab (quite possible), the force trying to lift the slab is over 7,000 Lbs !!! While that may not actually float the thing, it usually results in very nasty cracks.(BTW, the pressure developed by a head of water is closer to
1/2 PSI per foot of head. So, 8 Ft of head will give you roughly 4 PSI.)Jim
Nah! You have a typo. It's 8 *inches* of water, not 8 feet, which produces .29 PSI.
8 foot of head gives 3.46 PSI.See this instant chart:
Art Todesco wrote:
I'm still working on part 3 of 3. The references I found about standpipes in floor drains did mention the possibility of leakage under the slab due to leakage from the sewer pipe joints, including heaving of the floor. I noticed my floor drain is part of a cast iron pipe system & I can only assume the rest of the drain to the city sewer is the same material. I wonder how common basement floor heaving is versus the damage caused by sewage backflow, which is in our local media many, many times annually. The concrete basement floor must weigh several thousand pounds on its own. Other references advised not to use standpipes higher than 3 feet from the basement floor. The reasoning was that concrete block walls that make up most basements can endure up to 3 feet on their outside surface, above that level, they tend to cave in, which could result in a collapsed house. So, it would be better to allow sewage to pour into one's basement when the backup pressure exceeds 3 feet of water (and equalize the pressure from inside to outside) rather than have the basement walls collapse. I'm a doctor, not an engineer, but that makes sense. This is the reasoning that also supports the gradual pumping-out of a totally flooded basement, since too-rapid draining could also cause the basement walls to cave in. If the basement is
Water will take the path of least resistance.
Its not gonna raise the basement floor. Its just gonna go somewhere else.
Have a nice week...
Trent
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