OT: End of Daylight Stupid Time this Sunday

[T]

End of Daylight Stupid Time

begins at 2:00 a.m. on the second Sunday of March

ends at 2:00 a.m. on the first Sunday of November

[Frank]

It is a pain and should be eliminated. Relic of the past.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Why? I've been saving daylight for decades now and plan to use it soon. When you are freezing in the dark, I'm going to use my saved daylight and enjoy sunshine.

[Mark Lloyd]

Where there is no actual 2AM. 1:59:59 is followed in one second by

3:00:00. Hours:

1AM

2AM (no, not really, it's actually 3AM) 4AM

And the REAL 2AM will come an hour later. Hours:

1AM 2AM (no, not really, it's another 1AM) 2AM

DST was never a good thing, except maybe an excuse to make sure your clocks are set right. This mess isn't worth it.

It also means there are hundreds of time zones in the world, instead of more like 35 (which could be 25, if everyone used hour offsets).

[Frank]

Sounds like a good idea but how do you contain it? Mine keeps escaping.

[AL]

Yup. My state refused DST long ago. I'm surprised more didn't follow.

[Retired]

I wish they would quit with this messing with the clocks. My roses need all the sunlight they can get ;-)

[thekmanrocks]

Write your Congress members. Tell them Standard time year round. They'll respond with the usual history of DST spiel.

[Muggles]

I just go with the flow! "I get another hour of daylight in the summer? COOL! .... I get another hour to sleep?? ALRIGHT!"

[James Wilkinson Sword]

It was never needed for anything. And it makes things worse - we have LESS light in the evening in winter.

[James Wilkinson Sword]

Turn it slightly.

[notbob]

I actually heard this ABC News (KGO) cast that outlined exactly why it believed DST was being moved up (this was a move of two weeks, into

2nd wk in Oct).

It was pushed by the big box stores (Costco, Walmart, etc) in the belief that ppl are more likely to buy stuff if it is still light, outside. IOW, pushing DST to after 8:30PM allows Summer workers to get off work and still have daylight in which to shop. The "save power" propaganda was jes a scam.

Is this true? Makes sense to me. I jes know it wasn't farmers or the railroad that started DST.

nb

[Ed Pawlowski]

Being on the eastern part of the zone I'd rather have the earlier start and the daylight at the end of the day so I like DST. If i lived on the western end I'd not care at all. Being semi-retired, I pretty much come and go ad I please now. I'm home before it is truly dark.

[James Wilkinson Sword]

If they want more light in the evening, they're turning the clocks the wrong way. Also they shouldn't change back again.

[Paintedcow]

From:

History of Daylight Saving Time - DST

Daylight Saving Time (DST) is used to save energy and make better use of daylight. It was first used in 1908 in Thunder Bay, Canada. Business watch and one hundred dollar bill

Benjamin Franklin suggested, rather jokingly, to wake up earlier to save candles.

DST normally adds 1 hour to standard time with the purpose of making better use of daylight and conserving energy. This means that the sunrise and sunset are one hour later, on the clock, than the day before.

First Used in Canada in 1908

In July, 1908, Thunder Bay in Ontario, Canada became the first location to use DST. Other locations in Canada were also early to introduce Daylight Saving bylaws.

On April 23, 1914, Regina in Saskatchewan, Canada implemented DST. The cities of Winnipeg and Brandon in Manitoba followed on April 24, 1916. According to the April 3, 1916, edition of the Manitoba Free Press, Daylight Saving Time in Regina ?proved so popular that bylaw now brings it into effect automatically?. DST Statistics ? Past and Present Use

Germany First Country to Use DST

Germany became the first country to introduce DST when clocks were turned ahead 1 hour on April 30, 1916. The rationale was to minimize the use of artificial lighting in order to save fuel for the war effort during World War I.

The idea was quickly followed by the United Kingdom and many other countries, including France. Many countries reverted back to standard time after World War I, and it wasn?t until the next World War that DST made its return in most of Europe. Ancient Civilizations Although DST has only been used for about 100 years, the idea was conceived many years before. Ancient civilizations are known to have engaged in a practice similar to modern DST where they would adjust their daily schedules to the Sun's schedule. For example, the Roman water clocks used different scales for different months of the year. Benjamin Franklin

American inventor and politician Benjamin Franklin wrote an essay called ?An Economical Project for Diminishing the Cost of Light? to the editor of The Journal of Paris in 1784. In the essay, he suggested, although jokingly, that Parisians could economize candle usage by getting people out of bed earlier in the morning, making use of the natural morning light instead.

Hudson and Willett

In 1895, New Zealand scientist George Vernon Hudson presented a paper to the Wellington Philosophical Society, proposing a two-hour shift forward in October and a two-hour shift back in March. There was interest in the idea, but it was never followed through.

In 1905, independently from Hudson, British builder William Willett suggested setting the clocks ahead 20 minutes on each of the four Sundays in April, and switching them back by the same amount on each of the four Sundays in September, a total of eight time switches per year. First Daylight Saving Bill

Willett?s Daylight Saving plan caught the attention of Member of Parliament, Robert Pearce, who introduced a bill to the House of Commons in February 1908. The first Daylight Saving Bill was drafted in 1909, presented to Parliament several times and examined by a select committee. However, the idea was opposed by many, especially farmers, so the bill was never made into a law. Willett died in 1915, the year before the United Kingdom started using DST in May 1916. DST in the United States

In the US, ?Fast Time? as it was called then, was first introduced in

1918 when President Woodrow Wilson signed it into law to support the war effort during World War I. The initiative was sparked by Robert Garland, a Pittsburgh industrialist who had encountered the idea in the UK. Today he is often called the ?Father of Daylight Saving?.

Only seven months, later the seasonal time change was repealed. However, some cities, including Pittsburgh, Boston, and New York, continued to use it until President Franklin D. Roosevelt instituted year-round DST in the United States in 1942. War Time DST

Year-round DST, also called ?War Time?, was in force during World War II, from February 9, 1942, to September 30, 1945, in the US and Canada. During this time, the US time zones were called ?Eastern War Time?, ?Mountain War Time?, ?Central War Time?, and ?Pacific War Time?. After the surrender of Japan in mid-August 1945, the time zones were relabeled ?Peace Time?.

The UK applied ?Double Summer Time? during World War II by setting the clocks two hours ahead of GMT during the summer and one hour ahead of GMT during the winter. DST History in Europe US Uniform Time Act of 1966

From 1945 to 1966 there were no uniform rules for DST in the US and it caused widespread confusion especially for trains, buses, and the broadcasting industry. As a result, the Uniform Time Act of 1966 was established by Congress. It stated that DST would begin on the last Sunday of April and end on the last Sunday of October. However, states still had the ability to be exempt from DST by passing a state ordinance.

Modern DST History in the US

The US Congress extended DST to a period of ten months in 1974 and eight months in 1975, in hopes to save energy following the 1973 oil embargo. The trial period showed that DST saved the energy equivalent of 10,000 barrels of oil each day, but DST still proved to be controversial. Many complained that the dark winter mornings endangered the lives of children going to school. Daylight Saving or Savings? Energy Policy Act of 2005

After the energy crisis was over in 1976, the DST schedule in the US was revised several times throughout the years. From 1987 to 2006, the country observed DST for about seven months each year. The current schedule was introduced in 2007 and follows the Energy Policy Act of

2005, which extended the period by about one month. Today, DST starts on the second Sunday in March and ends on the first Sunday in November. Daylight Saving Today

Daylight Saving Time is now in use in over 70 countries worldwide and affects over a billion people every year. The beginning and end dates vary from one country to another. In 1996, the European Union (EU) standardized an EU-wide DST schedule, which runs from the last Sunday in March to the last Sunday in October.

[Ed Pawlowski]

At least partly correct. Add in Idaho senators that favored it becase fast food places sell more fries, sporting goods stores, and don't forget Kingsford charcoal. Halloween was a factor too.

[notbob]

I knew I shouldn't have gotten involved. ;)

nb

[Frank]

I've been in UK in July and days were long which means further north makes winter days short. You might go to work in the dark and come home in the dark.

Then once I was at the farthest west of our eastern time zone and it was strange to see it so dark. If you want to fine tune it, you might change zones for each minute.

Then I noted somewhere major cities time was a half hour out of sync.

Whole thing makes no sense.

[James Wilkinson Sword]

There is absolutely no reason to have more light in the morning.

[James Wilkinson Sword]

Doesn't make sense. Leave it at the forward setting all year round and save even more power.