True. I did decide to repeat myself here. Seemed like a good idea at the
I noticed in one of your posts that you installed Windows 7 on a Dell
computer. I thought of doing that, and it is still a possibility, but my
two computers are Dell Dimension 3000 and are probably too old and too
limited in resources to be a good choice for installing Windows 7.
You can run compatibility test to see the result. I replaced mother
board and salvaged what I could, added SATA
drives, BD drive, then I could load W7 or W8 and Linux Ubuntu in multi
boot set up. It has 3 optical drives, about 15 TB disk storage(some are
old SCSI 750GB drives I picked up at recycle depot for 10.00 a piece)
Still older Intel LGA775 Quad cpu with 8 GB of memory. Even has FDD, LOL!
But mostly I use newer ASUS ROG laptop with 17" display. When I travel I
still carry an old Thinkpad TP61P which has upgraded dual band WiFi
card. It is all matter of spending least amount of $$....
I just deliverd5 brand new Acer Veriton 4630G computers to a customer
- come with win7 downgrade option on win8 pro 64 preinstalled. Can
move to win8 at no extra cost when required. Not cheap at $630 C with
4gb Ram, i5, and 500gb hdd
Thanks. The 2 Dell Dimension 3000 computers that we have already have 2 GB
of memory installed. But, I think they may have other limitations that would
make putting Win7 on them not a good idea, especially if I can get
refurbished Win7 PC's with more RAM and a high processor speed for not too
For example, I just did a Google search for "refurbished Windows 7
computers" and saw some through Best Buy (one of their resellers) for around
$230 with lots of memory, higher processor speed, 64-bit, with a monitor,
That test is a joke.
An old ('07) desktop of mine that is now sitting in a closet (the
motherboard died) exceeded the minimum requirements for Win7 but it ran
a lot faster with XP on it.
I had to make a lot of tweaks in order to get Win7 running somewhat
On Saturday, April 12, 2014 5:30:07 PM UTC-5, Ron wrote:
The '04 Dell I have (a freebie) runs Win7 extremely well. I was the 1st production PC with ePCI, DDR2, SATA, and a P4/3.2Ghz. I never ran the compatibility test. (and yes, I am repeating myself...a little)
| > > All of that kind of thing could be broadly regarded as crapware.
| > >It's not necessarily all bad software, but it's all stuff you don't
| > >need and definitely shouldn't pay for.
| > >
| What do you use? Just for my info. I won't criticize, just learn.
What do I use for....cleaning? I don't. I don't
use any cleaners, AV, or "malware hunters". As I was
explaining above, I view Registry cleaners and general
system cleaners as more or less scam software. There
are things that can improve speed, which I listed in an
earlier post, but "cleaning" the Registry isn't one of them.
In terms of security, I'm careful of what I do online
and rarely enable script. I also don't install anything
from Adobe (Reader or Flash) and don't have Java
installed. So I guess you could say I use caution.
On XP I use the last free version of Onlne Armor
as a firewall. On Win7 I think I'm using Private Firewall.
I'm very concerned with both privacy and security.
I don't allow anything to go out that I'm not instigating,
which includes updaters. I don't allow any software to
self-update. That seems like a reckless and unstable
approach to me, and it's allowed software companies
to have their products in a constant state of semi-beta.
I don't think that no one should use AV. I think I already
explained my view on that kind of thing. For people who
are not going to deal with security issues, AV is probably
the next best thing, even though it drags on the system.
In terms of cleaning, I empty all TEMP folders
occasionally; I reinstall a clean disk image once
every year or two. (I keep an image with all the basic
software installed and configuration done.) I don't
install much that I don't really need and avoid bloatware
of any kind. I also avoid any additive programs, like
browser toolbars added by free software, useless crap
that's set to run by printer installers, ISPs, etc. I have
two programs set to run at startup: the firewall and a
mouse program. Most people have a dozen or more startup
programs running. I also keep the running services down to
a bare minimum.
You are not a "typical" user.
And not as safe as you think. For Microsoft downloads, I always have
the computer set to download and notify - so I can determine what is
updated and when - but I ALWAYS apply the critical updates. I always
advisw my customers to do the same. To not install the security
patches supplied by microsoft is foolhardy.
To not use an antivirus of some sort is also foolhardy. Industrial
strength security is not required - and as far as firewalls, If you
are using a NAT router the average user does not need a firewall - and
software firewalls can severely affect performance (as well as
functionality if not setup just right).
Re-imaging a computer every year is a pain in the derrierre, and most
"customers" will not have a clean image available - which
neccessitates cleaning the system. Using the "disk cleanup" utility in
windows cleans up everything you mention - but does NOT restore system
speed on a computer that is used heavilly and has programs added,
deleted, upgraded or otherwise addressed. Microsoft's defrag program
is also pretty sketchy, but at least they provide it again (was not
there on NT)
There are two tools I use quite extensively. One only on my own
machines because I won't licence it on customer's machines - and one I
have a technician copy of - a product from Registry-Cleaner.net.
It alone solves MOST slow computer complaints that I run across. I
use the iobit product on my own machines - both the host and
virtuals. Their defrag tool is far superior to windows Defrag. Their
registry cleaner is about on a par with the R-C product but mabee a
bit faster. You need to know what you are doing with their product or
you can get yourself into trouble in a hurry.
Either one restores my system to full performance when it slows down -
and I have NEVER had to restore or re-install the OS on any of my
computers since before the days of Windows 98 SE. I can count on one
hand how many customer's machines have required a re-install to
address performance issues, and between only 2 customers I have over
80 systems I maintain on a regular basis. Just under half have been
converted to Win7 from XP.
Both customers have Guardware firewall devices with AV and spam
protection built in, and one also uses App-River mail filtering.
On Sunday, March 30, 2014 2:41:56 PM UTC-7, Jerry wrote:
I work adjacent to the Helpdesk in a corporation of 1500+ people, all with
at least one computer. I am also a developer, so see some of the performan
My personal preference would be a laptop with Windows 7. Relatively straig
htforward OS with lots of support. Google is your friend for any OS questi
For the hardware, I am on my second Lenovo (previously IBM). For build qua
lity and components, they currently exceed anything close to their price ra
nge. I bought my first personal one when my work laptop (Lenovo) went over
the bars in my backback during a cycling crash. My backpack was torn up,
the laptop fired up without issues. My current superpowered work Dell woul
d not have survived.
I am typing this on a Lenovo T420, bought used, for $400, with OS. Not a c
| There are two tools I use quite extensively. One only on my own
| machines because I won't licence it on customer's machines - and one I
| have a technician copy of - a product from Registry-Cleaner.net.
Didn't we already go over this? I explained how you
can logically assess the value of Registry cleaners for
yourself. You avoided understanding what I said. As for
AV, MS updates, etc, I was asked what I do myself.
I explained what I do and why. It's worked well for me
for many years. But it's not an approach for everyone.
I don't find it a pain to re-install disk images.
I always make disk images for any machine *after* it's
all set up, with the main software installed and personal
configuration set up. That allows it to be put back to
fresh in less than an hour, with no loss of anything if
one just makes regular backups of important things like
work docs and email. Again, that's not an approach for
everyone. But for anyone who's willing to learn how to
do it, I would think it's crazy not to make disk images.
They take very little effort and can save *a lot* of work
if something unexpectedly goes wrong. (It doesn't have to
be malware. Lots of things could bring down the system
unexpectedly, including one of those MS security updates
you think are so "critical". :)
| I have over
| 80 systems I maintain on a regular basis. Just under half have been
| converted to Win7 from XP.
If you're going to manage peoples' computers then you really
should understand what your tools are doing. You said earlier
that you had no idea what settings are being removed by your
Registry cleaner. You don't care? You don't understand the
Registry? Why do you assume that the people selling the software
know what they're doing if you don't even know what the software
does? I explained how to research it for yourself, but you're not
interested. Yet you're running these tools for 80-odd people? How
would you feel if you paid an auto shop to keep your car in top
shape and they were adding "Super Duper Power Charger" to the
gas tank -- for a small fee -- but couldn't tell you exactly why?
I find this kind of thing typical among support people. It's
understandable, in a way, because it's expensive to spend
time on machines and most people don't want to pay very
much. So tech support people hit their machines with a
handful of alleged cleaners, AV and malware hunters. It's the
same kind of thing that the people at Staples or Best Buy will
do for about $70. They can make good money at it because
the clerks don't have to understand how anything works. They
just have to be trained how to run the programs.
Tech support people I know run all that stuff, then sign people
up for Carbonite or something similar, charging them $200 for
a yearly visit. If their PC dies, the tech wizards can stop by,
do a restore, and sync their files from Carbonite. That takes them
almost no time and the customers find it very convenient. It's not
really a bad approach for people who don't want to deal with their
own computer, but it means that those people are paying $200/year+
for tech support, their files are mirrored on a commercial website,
which could have legal/privacy/security ramifications at some point,
and their system is weighed down by all the security software.
Anyone who wants to take the time to manage their own
computer can do better than that.
That is way I feel about taxes. I run Turbo Tax or anoter, sometimes two
tax programs. I don't understand them, just hope for the best. Even if you
call the IRS help desk you may get several answers. Saw on the news where a
good percentage of the calls never made it through.
Sometimes I feel like just sending in a blank form signed and letting them
worry about what to do.
I sure don't have time to read the tax laws. Forgot how many books it is,
but probably could not even read it in a month or two.
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