Need help with RUUD electric furnace

"TURTLE" wrote in message news:ScVLd.22923$ snipped-for-privacy@bignews5.bellsouth.net...

Hello group.. Thanks to all for the info, both positive and negative. First, the reason we have AHS for my folks is they are on a fixed income. If they had a catastrophic failure of something like an AC unit would seriously cripple their finances. I have helped them with as much as I can possibly afford. I do understand your points about second rate service from them. It didn't used to be this way but sure has become evident in the last few years. This service call is a perfect example given the first guy didn't see that one breaker had nothing connected to it! As some had noticed by the model number, it is a 14kv furnace. BUT, after looking it over it has become evident that the problem lies in the fact it is not hooked up properly. Upon removing the inspection panel my folks discovered that one of the two built in breakers is not even hooked up. Either the feed wire is not heavy enough to carry the entire load of both circuits so the bozo installed just hooked up the larger of the two, or sometime down the line someone got in there and messed with it. I was looking at the product literature and from what I see, given the distance from the circuit panel it would take either 4 or 6 guage wire to supply the furnace on a single circuit on a 90 amp. Mom says there is one, 60 amp breaker to the unit so my guess is they didn't run enough power to it. The house is less than four years old. Only caviat is, the house was a bank repo so we have no information on it's history and had to buy it as-is.. My best guess it was a lower priced house but it does seem to be built solidly. It has nice, double pane windows and all the doors are very good insulated doors and they seal properly. In the attic, the insulation is a white fluffy blown in matter and is about 12-14" thick in most places. Finding the rafters to tranverse across the attic is tricky. We have a message into the only local RUUD dealer in the Austin TX area but have not heard back from him as of yet. We are bypassing AHS on this one, plus the last guy said he is going to report to AHS that the unit is wired incorrectly so they will probably disqualify the unit for future repairs. My best guess is we are going to have to hire an electrican to run a new feed into the furnace closet to supply the other strips. Funny too, even when we had really cold weather last month (down into the low 20's which is not normal for central Texas) the thing still kept the house at 73 even though it ran a lot. Thanks Turtle for posting that recall notice. I am going to check that Saturday when I can get out to their house. I doubt there unit will fall in that as their house was built much later than the dates on that recall but who know's they may have had an old one sitting around. Thanks again to all and hopefully we can get this straightened out properly without breaking the bank. John

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John
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Turtle I was not questioning or doughting you. You are always right on with Hvac and advise.

I just asked if it could be lack of insulation.

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m Ransley

deviate dave would be soooo far out in left field on this one, he's in the parking lot wondering where he parked his lil kiddy kar korvete

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U will be assimilated

Do the math! Compare what the AHS rates are, your folks can probably replace their HVAC system every few years for what they charge. Tell your folks to put the money they spend on AHS in a savings account set aside just for home repairs. In a while they will have a fair amount of extra cash! Think about it! AHS is doing it to make money. They are betting that your parents will pay them more money than will get spent on repairs. The big plus is your folks will be able to choose who repairs their equipment, instead of some hack that will work for the chicken feed that AHS pays! Greg

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Greg O

'Hey Davey , i like that statement about liking the Stainless Steel electric heating elements wrapped around in side the blower housing. Davey i did not know that they were stainless steel elements and not straight enduction heat elements. Did you special order them with stainless steel elements in them ? TURTLE'

Turtle, They are stainless steel from the Factory and the Rheem Electric Furnace brochure says explicitly that they are Stainless Steel for greater longevity. You can call me Davey, but i prefer Dave. (Im enjoying the exchange over in Alt. Hvac -- i think you might be winning :)

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HVAC fella

'Upon removing the inspection panel my folks discovered that one of the two built in breakers is not even hooked up. '

Had one exactly like this 2 weeks ago. It was a 14 kw and only 10 kw was being energized because the one breaker in Furnace wasnt hooked up.

'Mom says there is one, 60 amp breaker to the unit so my guess is they didn't run enough power to it'

I think you are correct. A 14 kw. furnace should pull right around 56 amps at 240 v. with motor running. Thats pretty close to a 60 amp breaker.

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HVAC fella

More proof that Davey has no clue! Better check your math, and your code book Davey!

14KW comes out to over 58 amps @ 240 volt, no way you are going to run it on a 60 amp breaker! You will be looking for a 75 amp breaker. Most electric heat units I have seen will split the load, 10 KW at a time. So usually you will see two beakers, in this case probably a 60 amp and a 25 or 30 amp breaker. If it is a 60 amp breaker it is probably a 10KW heat bank, or someone skipped running the wire and breaker for the extra 4KW. Greg
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Greg O

This is Turtle.

Some of the Dated codes of the recalled furnaces was sold as late as 1998 and the date codes was from the 1992 to the 1995 models.

Well to AHS. If they disqualify you. You demand your money back. If you bought a insurance on your car and a month later they cancelled you. Would you want your money back ?

Now just running a 10 KW electric strips on a 1,500 sq. ft. house. It may run a lot but that is usely all FHA requires as heat on the FHA house in the Southern areas. I don't think I would be spending a bunch of money on changing something that does not seem to be a problem. I have install a bunch of FHA or general builder houses with only 10KW on the 1,200 to the 1,600 sq. ft. homes after looking at the heat load requirements and it not calling for more than 10KW of heat.

Now 60 amp breaker will carry a 10 KW heat furnace. Now 80 or 90 amp breaker will carry a 15 KW furnace.

TURTLE

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TURTLE

This is Turtle.

No on Later post he said it had 12 to 14 inches of blown in fiberglass insulation. Also he had seen it was running on 10KW elements and not running full power at 15 KW. The thing has a 60 amp breaker and it will not carry a 15KW electric heat element. You would need atleast a 80 amp breaker to carry a 15 KW electric heat furnace.

TURTLE

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TURTLE

'And you DAvey boy are the laughing stock of the industry. Everyone knows it. Your advice is so bad its deadly. Go away davey. Nobody wants your advice you looney hack. Bubba '

ME: You (and your commrades) have had countless people in this NG and in ALt.HVAC tell you that your attitude is very bad, that you have a superiority complex, and that you are obnoxious in the way you tell HO's to 'F off' and thru other forms of degrading vile talk .How come you dont see the importance of relating to HO's out of politeness and charity instead of leaving them with a worse opinion of our Trade ? If you cant promote the hvac trade in a positive manner, then, you shouldnt be in it nor dealing with the public in anyway. Lastly, the advice i give (for some reason) , makes you feel insecure with the way you respond ; theres no need to feel insecure and think you know it all Bubba . Nor does trying to demean a fellow HVAC Tech cause you feel insecure. Its all very uneccesary. Please dont do this anymore Bubba, and, remember to act professional with HO's from now on. Many thanks. Dave

(God bless).

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HVAC fella

'More proof that Davey has no clue! Better check your math, and your code book Davey! 14KW comes out to over

58 amps @ 240 volt'

Hi Greg, Dont think we have every talked before. Are you a typical Antagonistic person in the Hvac Trade who likes to spread sadness and discontent like Bubba ?! Here is my reference again to amperage on a

14 kw furnace -- notice the word :"AROUND" . Please dont be a typical Jerk , as we need people in this Trade that arent , so HO's adopt a better impression of our Trade. Thanks much ! :

'A 14 kw. furnace should pull right around 56 amps at 240 v. with motor running. Thats pretty close to a 60 amp breaker.

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HVAC fella

Am I a typical antagonistic person in the HVAC trade? No I don't believe so. It just when I see someone posting wrong information I like to see that it gets corrected. If you fit that situation, so be it. No where will codes allow you to put a even 56 amp load on a 60 amp breaker, using you numbers. If you want pretty close, heck a 50 amp breaker is pretty close too, but in reality a 75 or 80 amp breaker would be required for a 56-58 amp load. Pretty common knowledge. Give correct information, and my bet is you will be left alone. As long as you keep posting wrong information you will get flamed, simple as that. Greg

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Greg O

Dave knows no better heck a 80 % furnace is close to a 90% in Daves mind, He thinks Goodman is as good as the rest , just cheaper, Right Dave.

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m Ransley

God bless doesnt cut it with me. You are still a hack and always be a hack. Your advice is stupid, sucks and will most likely get someone hurt. Now..............Blow Me you idiot Dave. Bubba

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Bubba

Ummm.....Davey....how is that possible? Explain in detail so that we that know can laugh like never before.

So..you got 10kW out of a strip that WASNT 10kw.....amazing...

LOL....you dont know a thing do you....

Try 58 amps and a 75-80 amp breaker. Also...how can a unit, that used induction style elements that wrap around the backside of the blower be stainless steel? Post a model number or admit you are blowing smoke up the asses of those that do not know better.

You sir, are no more a tech than I am the president. You are nothing but a danger to anyone that even considers you otherwise.

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steve

Awww isn't it cute! :-) Turtle found a friend.

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bill

It would be the only one that Daves got. Damn..did hell freeze over and thats why Daves looking for new buddies now?

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steve

"Steve@carolinabreezehvac" wrote in message news:_LFMd.41$ snipped-for-privacy@eagle.america.net...

This is Turtle.

Sorry Bill i had you in my kill file but I took you out so I could read the Stupid stuff you like to come up with. Well Bill and Fart Breeze I have some news for you that is fixing to open up at alt.hvac and that is basicly that Paul was not one of the founding members of the alt.hvac at all. He was just a poster that was around at the time and had nothing to do with the making of the newsgroup. Also Paul's lie all these years is being exposed and his suck up buddy like yourself are tring to cover this up by bad mouthing anybody that talk about the making of the newsgroup alt.hvac or sci.engi.heat-vent-ac or it's origination. Now you better try to stand with Paul in his monent of trouble for being cought up with in lying all these years as being the father of the hvac groups and when the trueth comes out. It hurt when you see the lies that have been said all these years come to light.

So be ready to try to stand with Paul and his falling from power for he will need all the help he can get to over come it. Paul has hisself and 4 other suck up's to defend him in his lie. So stand with him as best you can when the trueth comes out. Also try your best to discredit me for the best way to cover up a lie is to discredit the persons bring the lie out as just a lie and nothing else.

TURTLE

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TURTLE

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I might suggest Terry, that you talk to Noon, and find out what was said during our 2.5 hour phone call yesterday. Also I suggest that you learn how to use Google and look again.....I was there...were you?

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steve

Liar. Your nose problem would never allow you to plonk me.

Well Bill and Fart Breeze I have some

Oh really.

Also Paul's lie all these years is being exposed and his suck up

You need to tell somebody who gives a shit. I find somebody I'll point him your way.

Till then I'd rather discuss you.

Does everyone know you are an unlicensed hack?

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bill

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