Working in places where someone notices that you exist would help
too. These chain stores go for the cheapest labor and get rid of people
as soon as they have some experience (and are paid a bit more
money). They're not places for anyone who actually cares about people.
That they could have someone lying dead on their roof for 3 days speaks
volumes about the work environment there.
If access to the roof is via stairs within the store they probably think
they have it covered. They might be more aware if it was an external
ladder with a locking cage over the bottom section.
At the local Walgreen's the druggies just come in through the front door
like everyone else and don't have enough ambition to try to get to the
roof. They haven't been hit recently so maybe they're doing something
different on the night shift.
On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 10:44:44 AM UTC-4, FromTheRafters wrote:
Do you have a link to that article? This article states that he was "admitted" to the roof,
which I take to mean that someone in the store gave him access.
Reviewing my two browsers' history to URLs and following links therein
turns up nothing except what you have noted. I remember seeing that
'self-access' (a bad idea) and wondering to myself if that was even
legal, let alone something an insurance policy would allow.
Why not? Who was he working for? The store of the landlord?
Couple of years ago my grandson and a few of his friends worked on the
roof of a major chain store in town. They were doing snow removal and
were hired by the building owner, not the store. No regulations, no
My guess is that someone just showed him how to get indoor access to the
flat roof to begin working. It may have even been though a hatch door in
the ceiling of a back room that also has a built-in ladder up to the hatch.
And, of course, that person could have gone off duty not knowing if he had
already finished work and came down or if he was still up there.
And, as I wrote previously, I suspect that he just suffered a sudden cardiac
death (where someone suddenly collapses unconscious and their heart stops),
and never knew what happened and didn't suffer in any way. And, in that
event, unless someone happened to witness that collapse, or by some chance
happened to have checked on him with the first 4 or 5 minutes of the
collapse, having someone check on him any time after that would have been
too late to do anything to revive or save him.
Again, this is all just speculation on my part based on the limited
information that we have available. But, I suspect that his passing was
sudden and that he did not suffer in any way.
On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 10:55:30 AM UTC-4, TomR wrote:
All of this is similar to closing the store with someone still in the restroom.
Regardless of whether they could have saved him or not, someone should have
been aware that a non-employee was still on the premises before closing the
store and leaving.
I had the same feeling. It is best to not work alone if at all
possible. Of course, those who failed to be saved by paramedics aren't
posting the details of their experiences.
Here are some stats for anyone interested.
I doubt it was a hatch door. Buildings like that would have a stairs
leading to a bulkhead. He would have closed the door to the bulkhead. A
hatch would usually be left open.
A member of an acting club that I am also a member of recently died of a
heart attack. He went out for a walk. He collapsed at the door to his
building. No one noticed him for a while. And when they did he was dead.
Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).
On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 5:46:38 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Yeah, I don't see some big, unusual issue here. Similar probably happens
all the time, especially if it's a regular maintenance guy they are used
to showing up and servicing them.
I remember on one of those TV shows where they help stores prevent crime,
they sent a guy into a liquor store dressed as a service guy and he
rolled a whole refrigerated display case full of booze right out the
front door. He just told one of the employees he was there to fix a
The security is pretty lax if they didn't notice the roof hatch was
still open. You can only close and lock it from the inside. Generally
they are connected to the building alarm system as well, so whoever
closed down for the night should have realized something was wrong -
or is Wallgreens a 24 hour opperation now?? (which could explain a
On Friday, August 26, 2016 at 12:35:07 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
It's not a good point based on the simple fact that verifying the hours of operation
for this specific property is so easily done.
Hint: My statements related to "They should have checked for non-employees
before they left" are valid.
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