Those rules make sense on a ship. I don't see how an open roof compares to a closed chamber in a ship or in a factory. If he was locked up there all he has to do is walk to the edge by the street and yell down to a passerby. Worst case, toss a tool at a passing car.
Does your house have a basement? Do you practice the confined space rules when you go down there? That would be riskier than being on an open roof so you should follow those rules.
Yes, I agree in this specific case. The worst thing he did was to suffer a heart problem. I don't recommend doing that either, especially not somewhere where you can be unknowingly left for days.
No, don't be silly, but when I go for a hike (actually a walk) I always have someone knowing where I went whether it is a note left behind or communicated directly with someone. It just makes sense to do so just in case I become incapacitated and don't make it back as expected. I'm only just a little older than Stormy was. I certainly wouldn't want to die of exposure just because nobody knew where I was.
I only mentioned my feelings and opinion on this and trader_4 put on his tinfoil hat and suggested it is some kind of big government paranoia liberal politics thing. I explained my opinion and first thoughts were based on prior experience. There's no real need to read any more into it than that. His reading comprehension seems to be on a par with his circuit theory and math skills.
My read Anyway, my first thought about the circumstances which possibly claimed the life of Stormy have not been changed, definitely not a safe working situation IMO. He possibly could have died under ideal working conditions, heart attacks are like that, but to be left up there for that long sure looks like some rules weren't being followed. "
It's the classic lib, big govt position. What happened to Stormy had nothing to do with an unsafe work environment, the exact same thing could have happened to him while he was at home, with exactly the same result, except perhaps it would have taken even longer for someone to find him, he lived alone.
As to math and electrical engineering, please, don't embarrass yourself all over again. You claimed that Ohms Law can't work, can't be used when a current is zero, because division by zero is involved. Everyone else here knows that V=IR, with I = 0 is valid, gives a result of zero and no division by zero is involved. Every single person in that thread told you that you were wrong. I even suggested you graph it on paper and see what happens at the origin, but even that simple task was beyond you. Clearly you either didn't take Algebra 101 or didn't do very well.
trader_4 has brought this to us :
Oh, so now you know exactly what happened to him. Why don't you share that with us? Did he have a telephone at home where even in a weakened state he could have dialled 911? What did the coroner say the heart related issue was exactly?
I didn't say that any possible rule would have made any difference, only that the circumstances helped me to form the opinion that some rules probably hadn't been followed. It is normal security procedure for a drug store to have someone on the roof for days?
You took an equation of the form A=BC and substituted the letters V,I,and R and claimed it is a formula known as Ohm's Law. Formulae take into account *all* of the relationships between the values, not just the select few or one that you want them to.
Ohm's Law can be used to determine the third value when the other two are given. If the current and the voltage are both zero, what is the resistance? I have a resistor in front of me on my desk. There is no current or voltage, so what's the value of its resistance?
It doesn't have any resistance value, it does have resistivity and shape which can be used to calculate what the resistance would be if it were in a dynamic circuit, but as it is the idea of resistance itself is not defined.
Resistance is the opposition to the flow of charge, if there is no charge flowing, what is there to oppose? Ohm's Law comes from a dynamic system where there is current, voltage, and resistance. Not from fault conditions like open or shunted (isolated) zero current conditions. If you want to work with it and have no zero problems, you use limits where you are manipulating the values it can only get close to but not equal to.
Since you refused to believe that there is a difference between an equation and a formula or between 'voltage loss' and 'voltage drop' even after I pointed you to a math site which you apparently just ignored and a professional electrical engineering site which told you they were different, by saying that it was badly written, wrong, and didn't define the terms, and then posted that ridiculous V=IR is a formula post, I simply gave up on you.
He had both a home phone and cell phone. See this page:
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Not for nothing, but that info was posted over 6 years ago. I'm not saying he didn't still have a cell phone, but I just did a quick phone number search (just with Google, not any deeper).
What I found is that if you Google the 742 number (the non-call number), you get all kinds of hits for Chris Young's Shop. A couple of local papers in the area, a "service" related site, etc. None of the sites I looked at (the top 4-5 hits) list the cell phone that the wordpress site does or any other number besides the 742 number.
Then, if you Google the cell phone number (704) shown at the wordpress site, the only hit for Chris Young's Shop is on Page 2 but it's for that same wordpress site, so that doesn't help much.
We could probably look back and see if Stormy participated in the many "smart phone" related discussions in this ng and see what he said, but I'll leave that for someone else to do.
Coroners don't make those kinds of determinations.
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My nephew was a self employed consultant who worked from home but was also out of town frequently. When things got too ripe, the neighbors finally phoned it in.
Back when I was wearing a plant engineer hat I would hire contractors for some jobs. They came, did their thing, left, and sent the bill. They were adults and I wasn't riding herd on them. The exception was when they didn't show up and i had to canvass the local bars to find the crew.
If he had a mobile phone it probably wasn't very smart. No reflection on Stormin. I carry a LG flip. It makes phone calls, end of story, although receiving half assed text messages seem to be in its repertoire. Sending text messages sure as hell isn't in mine.
As you all know, Christopher always signed his posts with the tagline "Lear n more about Jesus" and a link to the LDS.org website. So, to honor his mem ory I carried out his wish and clicked on the site. I always knew the Mormo n church had vast archives of genealogy data but assumed it was mostly Morm on data. I was wrong; I entered by great grandfather's name and got all kin ds of information. While old census records are often hard to read, all the detail has been transcribed and made easy to find. Check it out if you are interested.
I'm probably just too used to government work. If I had to open a hatch on a roof for contractors, I would have to make an entry in the pass down log indicating such. Anyone closing up would have to review the log for an indication that it was closed again before going home for the day. Walgreen's is just a commercial enterprise with a building full of drugs, so maybe security isn't a major concern for them.
I picked up the phone and dialed both numbers.
The 742 (home) number returns a busy signal. The 704 (cell) number rolls right into voicemail. I think I just listened to a dead man's voice.
It is indeed the number for Chris Young's Shop. He is not available, but you can try his home phone if you would like.
I can't explain why, but I did not expect his voice to sound like it does.
How often did you have to do that? How often does a Walgreen have to do it? How many Walgreens even have access? One rule does not apply to every situation.
If access to the roof is via stairs within the store they probably think they have it covered. They might be more aware if it was an external ladder with a locking cage over the bottom section.
At the local Walgreen's the druggies just come in through the front door like everyone else and don't have enough ambition to try to get to the roof. They haven't been hit recently so maybe they're doing something different on the night shift.
Clearly the solution is to have a man on the roof watching over the man working on the rood. And to have a mat at the roof hatch watching them both. And a man at the bottom of the latter watching the guy at the top of the hatch. And a guy near the phone to call for help. And a guy between the guy near the phone and they guy at the bottom of the hatch to relay any such message. You will need to add a supervisor for the group, as well as add one person to the H.R. department and one person to the regulatory compliance department.
No, they squirrel it all away in case they want to retroactively baptize someone.
I was in a small museum in Evanston WY that had a section devoted to the Chinese community. Like many railroad towns it once had had a vibrant community serving the railway workers. There was a young Asian woman and I called it to her attention. When she asked me if I knew who my ancestors were I assumed it was an Asian thing. We got to talking and it came out it was a Mormon thing. She invited me to attend services at her stake in SLC. She was cute but not cute enough to lure me into the Borg.
someone should come up with ceremony for the posthumous renunciation of posthumous baptisms.
That seems rather silly compared to just being aware that someone is on the roof and the hatch is wide open.
They apparently have *some* security for inanimate objects.
"Common sense is not so common." ~ Voltaire, Dictionnaire Philosophique (1764)
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