Backup, backup!

[dadiOH]

Yeah, I've read them. Apparently you haven't. Or - if you have - you haven't bothered to implement them.

[Gunner Asch]

Or the copy of Agent I sent to him. Which is far far better than OE

[Ed Pawlowski]

I started using Agent when I got W7 and could not longer use OE. It works OK, gets the job done.

Recently though, someone (sorry, I forget who) mentioned Mozzilla Thunderbird Portable in this thread. I put it on a thumb drive and I'm really liking it. I use it on my netbook and my computer at work. I like the idea of portability as I can use it on any computer with a USB port and it keeps the threads up to date.

[Flint]

Or MicroPlanet's Gravity Newsreader:

Or SeaMonkey: Or Pan newsreader: Or XanaNews:

..all of which are free and pretty good. But some throwbacks seem stuck on Outhouse Express still...

[Stormin Mormon]

I may grow old, but I refuse to grow up. I also still send letters via US mail, now and again. Some hand written. Greeting cards, and such, too. I happen to like my Outhouse Distress email and usenet reader.

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[Gunner Asch]

Ill check it out! Thanks!

[Flint]

That's fine and all. I have some older version software I like to hang onto as well, but then I generally don't have conflicts running them on XP, either. If I did, either XP or the software has to go. Generally it's easier for the latter to go. But then why aren't you on at least Win 7? I mean XP is only THREE OS versions behind w/Micro$not dropping support for it next year.

I still use XP on several systems and will continue to do so, but from here on out, I only use XP on POS systems I sell/set up as they're operated as 'closed' systems only, with internet access extremely limited/locked down, so there is no need to keep them in a perpetual 'OS upgrade loop'.

[Gunner Asch]

I use XP or Linux and dont have a machine running on anything else in the house, nor is it on my agenda.

[Ralph Mowery]

All I plan on running is XP except for a couple of older laptops that have win 98 on them. I need that so I can boot to dos from time to time to run some programs that set up other equipment. The softwear will either not run on XP or the other machines are too fast for the softwear. I am also stuck on OE as it meets my needs.

I don't do anything that the other operating sustems will do for me. As long as the operating system will load in the programs I run, that is all I need.

[Winston_Smith]

NPR did a report on this. It included a guy in his 70s that is now retired on just SS and still owes some ungodly amount of money. Death may be a way out, but that's not certain.

They also reported 3 out of 4 people in jobs like server or bouncer or street entertainer have college degrees they have NEVER used. Not for lack of wanting too. Not for lack of high grades from respected schools. There just are no jobs and the few there are pay too little to live on. Street entertainer at least produces enough income to live on.

And now the plan is to import more immigrants to do the jobs that employers CLAIM they can't find qualified Americans for. That will cover having cheap labor for the few jobs they can't export. No American employed seems to be the goal of everyone that writes paychecks.

[rbowman]

This town was full of them even before the present mess. They come to UM, fall in love with the lifestyle, and don't leave. A few will go to Seattle or someplace but many trickle back. Even those who get a job in their field could do better in the big city. It makes for well educated REI clerks. It's sometimes referred to as the 'mountain tax' -- the money you won't make because you prefer to have a mountain in the back yard instead of the local chapter of the Crips.

[Ed Pawlowski]

I've read about a lot of people in their 60's+ losing their homes due to mortgage foreclosure. I don't know their circumstances, but you'd think they would have the mortgage paid by that time. If over 62 they should have enough equity to get a reverse mortgage and at least stop the payments. Maybe they had financial troubles in their 50's and have not recovered yet or they just did not plan for the future.

What sort of degree? I know a few people like that. If you major in

12th century Latvian art, chances are you won't find a job to use the degree. Accountants and engineers seem to fare better.

I had a guy working in the shipping department loading trucks. He had a degree in Journalism but, IMO, could not write for crap and would never make it as a news reporter or TV anchor and no ability to write a technical manual. I had a minimum wage packer that wanted to write poetry. I did not see any ads in the Help Wanted for poets this week. I also know a high school grad with a lot of common sense that is making $45+ an hour for an environmental cleanup company. He gets his work shoes dirty though.

[The Daring Dufas]

People wonder why plumbers get paid so much money. Well, if you had to take crap off everybody, you'd want a lot of money too. ^_^

TDD

[Stormin Mormon]

Actually, the unemployment crisis is in large part due to government over regulation. Trust NPR to blame the corporations for the problems caused by government.

As a small business, I can say that most business would prefer to expand, hire, and open new locations and feed the economy. The reason business does not, is that the regulations make it too expensive to do so. During the late 1980s when Ronald Reagan and the conservatives were elected representatives, I had enough business to hire help, at one point. Now that Obama is running the economy, I can't hire anyone, and don't have enough work. I've got plenty of regulations and plenty of taxes and fees and not enough work. Not enough customers. It's the Obama economy.

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[Ed Pawlowski]

People love to complain about others making a decent living. Plumbers get paid because they have skills most people don't have. Don't want to pay? Learn to do it yourself.

People constantly criticize Microsoft. Evidently they know how to write programs better and cheaper, but I've yet to see one do it.

[Gunner Asch]

This is the reason business is fleeing California. Way way too much regulation...and companies are leaving by the droves.

[Stormin Mormon]

I'm guessing that California's answer to business flight is to pass laws, making it illegal to flee?

NYS is over regulated. I've had people invite me to other states, and I may do that some day.

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[The Daring Dufas]

You got it Ed, I knew you were smarter than you looked, looks can be deceiving. A few years back when I had a few more pounds on me and a beard that could double as a dust mop, some kid told me I looked like Jerry Garcia. I replied, "Thanks kid, it's nice to know someone thinks I look like a rotting corpse." ^_^

TDD

[The Daring Dufas]

Most of those Western companies are moving to Texas, aren't they? I haven't researched it but I seem to recall in everything I've read that Texas is actually welcoming business and not trying to suck (no pun) the life out of them.

I've been around for a few years and I've noticed that all of those of a Liberal ilk are jealous of success and want more than anything else, to punish the high achievers, unless of course those high achievers are helping the P.L.L.C.F. promote their agenda. ^_^

TDD

[pyotr filipivich]

Gunner Asch on Sat, 10 Aug 2013 05:15:43 -0700 typed in alt.survival the following:

Washington's Latest Special Favor Of the nation's 143 refineries, one was exempted from the EPA's ethanol mandate. Why?

Goes on to explain that the EPA's mandate for ethanol use in gasohol blends is increasing, but can't be done, so the bribes to not blend ethanol into the gasoline are approaching a dollar a gallon. For one small refiner, the EPA charge is more than salary and wages.