a problem with electric meters?

Bullshit

Go look at the GE 210+ specs and get back to us.

To do all of that you need the energy management system attached to your service panel. I don't have one, do you?

You obviously can't read..

After observing some new smart meter installs. i decided to look up the meter capability on the internet. But, I found the on-line documentation incomplete. So, I called up GE and talked to their engineers about the undocument ordering/meter options.

As for documented features ..

"Advanced Functionality

With the addition of the fully rated 200 amp service switch, the meter is capable of pre-payment metering without all the historical cost associated with card readers or other legacy pre-payment technology. Load limiting and emergency conservation modes set this meter apart when working in conjunction with a demand response program. Having the capability to be remotely configured, as well as being firmware upgradeable, this product serves today?s needs, as well as tomorrow?s evolving requirements."

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Page 8. (I-210+)

"Optional Functions

Factory integrated Service Switch Capability - Soft Switch Functions - AMR Communications (AMR Interface formats include quadrature pulse, PSEM, SPI Format-1 data, SPI Format-2 Data - Simple Voltag Event monitoring in addition to RMS momentary voltage display "

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On Page 9 of the PDF under the table titled "Residential Meter Selector" . Look at the middle column for "I-210+ Basic Energy",

Go down to Items

Both are listed as "Factory installed option for I-210+"..

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From my conversations with GE'e engineer, some of the ordering options for the GE-210+ residential meters are:

O = AMR, V2 = Simple Voltage event monitor, F2 = Demand limit, J2 = Emergency Load reduction(same leg of 110V connected to both sides, no=220v appliance operation.) U2 = Remote disconnect & Prepaid disconnect.

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Now go outside and look at GE I-210+ smart meter installed on the side of your house. (if you have one). Write down the extra options installed, just to the right of "I-210+" inside a rectangle box outline (Very close to the exact center of the meter face).

No, All you have to do is look at the smart meter.. The factory installed options are plain as day.. (filled in circles next to each install option, outlined by rectangle box almost in exact center of meter.)

Now is that so hard.. Or are you legally blind?

Up here they are not GE. We have Sensus iSA2 meters with FlexNet

Particularly since it would put the entire load on one side of the transformer and lead in (and neutral connection).

I just looked on the FPL site; there's no indication on the application for net metering that it's not the same procedure for the smart meters as mechanical.

I think the complaints/concerns are made up, frankly.

I have the same meter.

That refers to the options in the communication module. You still need the switching hardware. That is not going to fit in that meter.

How do you think they are switching 200 amps? What kind of device?

rectangle box

It's probably a latching relay of some sort.

Again, documented features of the i-210+... .

"Advanced Functionality

With the addition of the fully rated 200 amp service switch, the meter is capable of pre-payment metering without all the historical cost associated with card readers or other legacy pre-payment technology. Load limiting and emergency conservation modes set this meter apart when working in conjunction with a demand response program. Having the capability to be remotely configured, as well as being firmware upgradeable, this product serves today?s needs, as well as tomorrow?s evolving requirements."

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Page 8. (I-210+)

"Optional Functions

Factory integrated Service Switch Capability - Soft Switch Functions - AMR Communications (AMR Interface formats include quadrature pulse, PSEM, SPI Format-1 data, SPI Format-2 Data - Simple Voltag Event monitoring in addition to RMS momentary voltage display "

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On Page 9 of the PDF under the table titled "Residential Meter Selector" . Look at the middle column for "I-210+ Basic Energy",

Go down to Items

Both are listed as "Factory installed option for I-210+"..

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From my conversations with GE'e engineer, some of the ordering options for the GE-210+ residential meters are:

O = AMR, V2 = Simple Voltage event monitor, F2 = Demand limit, J2 = Emergency Load reduction(same leg of 110V connected to both sides, no=220v appliance operation.) U2 = Remote disconnect & Prepaid disconnect.

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Now go outside and look at GE I-210+ smart meter installed on the side of your house. (if you have one). Write down the extra options installed, just to the right of "I-210+" inside a rectangle box outline (Very close to the exact center of the meter face).

" snipped-for-privacy@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"

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I've read that brochure from cover to cover several times and still see no indication of the above "capability". Remote deactivation, yes; 240V disable--don't see it.

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If it did connect both hots going into the house to one hot in the service cable, that would disable the 240V loads in the house. But unless the service conductors from the street to the house were capable of handling the double load, it would exceed their current carrying capability.

Example:

Now connect both hots in the house to one incoming hot and you could pull 400A through that one conductor and have it return via the neutral.

T. Keating wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

I think what the guy is trying to determine is whether the I-210+ meter actually has it's own internal switching ability to perform that "load management",or if it must rely on some external relay built into that "energy management system".

T. Keating wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

the key phrase here is "With the addition of the fully rated 200 amp service switch". that seems to indicate additional hardware is necessary for that "load management" function,and that that additional equipment(relay) would be located in the "energy managment system" he mentioned.

IOW,it would appear that the I-210+ can send a signal to an external relay to do that management,but cannot switch the load itself internally.

" snipped-for-privacy@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"

You COULD, but the big loads are "generally" 240.

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Precisely the reason I really think it's not likely the meter actually does this...

But Code doesn't all "generally" in addressing overloading a circuit protection/wire sizing...

It would be in violation if it were done after the meter; I don't see how it wouldn't also be so if the meter did it.

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On 5/31/2012 10:25 AM, Jim Yanik wrote: ...

Yes, I think that's precisely what it says (along w/ not saying anything about the idea of connecting both sides of 240V supply to a single supply side to "shut off" 240V loads).

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