Looking for old usenet posts

[per.corell]

Hi

Proberly a few of you remember the treds "Hi all you fancy graphics lovers" where we discussed a new building system 3D-Honeycomb. I am now looking for old mails as last year a dutch architect professor showed a building that is a 3D-H without giving a single line of credit to the one who for a decade have promoted and described this new fantastic method on web, --- to protect the socalled intelectural property rights, I will be happy for any help.

[Michael (LS)]

Forgive my ignorance but isn't 3D-H outdated? I thought we were only designing using 4D-J nowdays.

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[per.corell]

Hi

No 3D/H is not outdated acturly it seem that it just started, I must ask you who remember the discussion and my promoting of this new technike to check the structure I refere it was build last year and prove the 3D/H method quite an exiting structure you can ee it here :

It's the Son-O-House in Son, Holland, by Lars Spuybroek (better known as NOX) - completed in May last year. ---- what this structure do, is that it prove the method I been promoting on the web for so many years ; I even participated in architect contests as doing that you prove you published the concept and I guess a few of you even would call yourself one of "the fancy graphics lovers" as quite a few in this fora have made response when I put in another fancy graphic a few also asked me to continue to do that. But please consider that even I can prove I published the graphics and in detail explained how you produce this kind of structure, even I tried to use this and other fora to discuss and develob the method , then not one single line of credit is given by this arts professor , and this even I been all over the web to promote the 3D-Honeycomb method ---- now maby some of you looking back will say that it was some exiting discussions we had, and now you know that I am doing whatever I can, to get just the honest credit that shuld be given to the guy who acturly years before and steadily up to this day, have found new way's to show exiting graphics and doing it all as public domain.

If you want to know the discussions going on at the moment , discussions that together have catched more than 20000 viewers , please check a tread here ;

Sorry that the tread span over so many pages, but it is an interesting tread ,as it start with most saying "this is impossible" but suddenly it show that this is indeed possible ,but sadly someone forgot to say thank's to the guy who been develobing and openly publishing it --- you see the credit is your right when you publish such concept.

So before deciding how and what to do, I would like to involve some of the nice guy's with whom I discussed this method, both those who talked against it and now have to change their mind, and those who nicely supported the work. If you want to se the last progress I am sorry that I must point to a fairly old homepage , but as with all the other 3D-H structures everything you see in these slideshows down the page, "is possible" and it is a fantastic new method, I just ask a line saying that the method been develobed by the danish designer Per Corell, guess if you did develob something simular you would like that to. Here are my homepage ;

This is one tread where the method been discussed and please remember that I can prove that I participated in architect contests way years before this arts professor suddenly had a structure to make the theoretic architecture talk into something real.

The discussion at Archinect ;

And at Design community the tread with same name ; And here are the graphic that I used to start the discussion at the link;

There are other sites where I started a discussion with the name "Hi all you fancy graphics lovers" but fact is that years before the treads on web that I point to, I also had the same discussion in this fora, so this is what I am looking for, where to find these old treads , I hope you as useal exchouse my bad english , but as I use to say in many discussions it is not the words but the skilled guy who make the innovations.

Best regards Per Corell

Now fighting for his rights ,being the one who spended the hard work and made the suffer that brought you a fantastic new tool, -- please just give a bit credit, also it is not to take focus from this fora, but you are welcome to ask my call at both Archinect and designcommunity , please just follow the above links to the discussions , any support will be welcome I am just fighting for a bit honesty and a bit credit just one line saying "the 3D-H building method used in this structure are develobed by the danish designer Per Corell" that's all I ask.

[Pierre Levesque, AIA]

[per.corell]

Hi

Pierre thank's that is great --- I wonder why I can't get Google working ,belive me I did try before asking assistance. Still I guess you can se that the older posts the better and I from the start had a name to put on to the method --- now please don't think that just finding a name for it is easy , as you have to find a name that somehow reflect what it is --- now thank's again I just need all the assistance I can find. P.C.

[Pierre Levesque, AIA]

It's OK Per... you ALMOST got FAQ'ed!

[Pierre Levesque, AIA]

It's OK Per... you ALMOST got FAQ'ed!

[per.corell]

Hi Thurston fact is that before the computer it would be silli , it is difficult to explain in few words, but if you have an assembled 3D-H it make no sense "describing" it as tradisional top,side, front drawings. If you did that, all you would get would be shapes as boxes where the tradisional plane crosses the structure --- the tradisional drawings aw we know construction drawings are simply not used as there are no use for them ; this fact show how much different the concept are. Beside what happened was that I wanted a new way to manufactor ships ribs , now that to is a long and complicated story and it is difficult to skip the basic's but finding a brand new way to much easyer and with much more accurancy ,without "lofting" in a direct link drawing cutting mashin or drawing to full scale plot of the actural flat piece ( that is _not_ placed on any of the tradisional planes ) , finding a way that make the computer help the projecting in a way so there are no paper involved, that the focus are the freedom in designing whatever shape, even a round house with totaly square flats , to point to the number of side effects and to make it work in 3D , ---- now is that not develobing when no one made it before ? Sorry but slices and sections are where I started .,what I wanted was a methid where you build round forms without bending anything, so beside being many other things fact is that 3D-H is a method to shape an organic form from strait sheet materials without forcing or bending to make the shape.

P.C.

[Thurston Howell]

But you didn't develop it.

[per.corell]

Even fiddeling will be four times as strong as fiddeling with a heat prove cheap and exiting method that make Solid modeling a step further , --- real we progress what way, marching back werts . Fiddeling as performed whenever in the history allway's been about fiddeling , now 4 times stronger at a third the weight, something that show you the problem if it break , work totaly different from the applications based on calculations the good old way, the way I progress by making simpler

-- 2 planes instead og one a third the trouble ,without lie talking the truth even in theory the 3D-H perform great it will bring the beautifull and the grim buildings it will bring what you can emagine in god know what personal aproach . Now isn't the issue rather the new jobs, the possible huge step into a smarter way performing a building structure. P.C.

[Thurston Howell]

Um........sections?

Are you suggesting that the builder of the structure in your link has no traditional plans, and is building from fancy 3D graphics?

Plenty of folks with 3D programs have created what you have, probably long before yourself, with boolean functions. Nothing new here.

[per.corell]

Hi

Well you can't maneage everything, be the guy who put all his effort into develobing a new method , master the english language, make your bread master the computer and all theoretic's around architecture .

My aproach allway's been practic solutions not the theory, I think that even the guy who can't read or write can be a skilled craftman a bright inventor even he can't spell -- still I rather spend my time develobing this method further and share my results in refreshing discussions , rather that than spend my time looking for old posts proving my intelectural rights.

Now in Dec 2000 this theoretic project had a first price in a contest here in Dk. , a contest about "the digital future" , now what I will never learn , is why the actural hands-on aproach is not taken to be as "fine" as theoretic projects even such that don't show quality to add new tools actural "New way's of thinking" , please take a look ,for me it was over way before this contest , as I allready knew that an autodidact would never repeat never get a chance nomatter how visionary and related to reality and the actural Digital that was the issue, For me it is nice to know that by participating in a contest where the exebition was held in the danish architects showroom , then I can prove my rights about the fantastic new building method, that was the issue in my project.

Please look at this theoretic first price project, that was the trend back then ;

[per corell]

Hi, I suggest you check Facebook with the name "Per Corell".