If you use a credit card with no fee, and pay it in full every month,
you have free money for 30 days (roughly). Where's the downside?
Close all bank accounts...? Huh? Banks around here won't cash a
check if you don't have an account. Are you planning on bartering for
"Hi, Mr. Home Depot, would you take these chickens for some roof
Some folks fire-bombed a Royal Bank branch over here in Ottawa very
recently, about a couple of weeks ago...
Ottawa. Land of the 'One Who Works For The Government'. Where they
have not just Ken's favourite POOP's, but also Royal Canadian Mounted
Police and Military Police to boot (in boots). 3 flavours to choose
from. Mmm delicious. YMCA
What do you do when the money's no good and/or every sufficiently
large (inter)national bank has been bombed... and big-chain corporate
grocery stores have all been looted, then bombed or adaptively reused?
In the future. and even now in some places, we may be/are able to
trade in local currency (too), (Totnes Pound anyone?) if not
necessarily with Home Depot... Although, if it is to survive, it may
find itself somehow turning into a locally-owned co-op depot and
dealing in freshly-picked local stone, etc., if not chickens or beans,
in exchange for those recycled roof shingles that Rufus bartered in
last week for hay and clay.
I wouldn't put it past eventually finding some free-range eggs at Home
Depot, say, after the locals, including Don, take it over at gunpoint.
Hey, Don, save me at least one bullet-free melon, please.
Well then let's dismantle it and/or change how it operates. Let's not
pretend that anything's absolutely private.
How would what work? The whole thing isn't working-- the market,
economy, industrial agriculture, Wall Street, BP...
Here's my quote at The Oil Drum:
And here's something that I'm working on, now that I think about it:
(hope the reticle meets with Don's approval ;)
The name of the rig, 'Deepwater Horizon' plays well to the concept in
many ways. Too easy really.
Anyway, are we really that stupid that we not only can destroy our
planet-- our only home-- with intelligence and our own hands-- and
really fast-- including killing entire species/ecosystems, and risk
our own survival as a species in the process?
Or is our supposed intelligence the paradox that ultimately renders
the conditions that kill us off?
From 'Are Humans Smarter Than Yeast' You Tube video:
"Understanding exponential growth as a fundamental driver of global
warming, environmental destruction, peak oil and natural gas, water
and arable land shortages, social decay, resource wars, etc.."
It'll never happen.
To believe so is to prove ones own ignorance of the enormity of this
And it's not *ours* but rather the other way around, we are a product
of it and it dictates everything about us including our very
Not the other way around as the media would like you to believe.
The media has hyped this BP thing way out of proportion using all the
usual tools and methods and all the same drones are falling all over
themselves as expected.
In 20 years this whole thing will be a distant memory just as the
Exxon Valdez is.
And the environment will be better off than it was before, just as in
Prince Edward Sound.
You don't *have* a soul.
You ARE a soul and you HAVE a body.
"Man can't harm her, but Gaia can take out man in a nanny second."
You seem to be saying that we have no effect on the planet, which is
obviously insane. Destroy in this instance is construed to mean
making the planet, or large portions of it, toxic to life, unable to
grow food/animals without undue effort, and/or uninhabitable. We're
not a perfectly mobile society, and oddly enough, the people already
living somewhere aren't crazy about people descending on their piece
of turf because the immigrants pissed all over their own.
And BP has attempted to "aw, schucks, that little bit of oil...?" the
situation away so they won't have the US driving trucks up their
keister looking for the ATM.
The effects haven't even started to be felt, and there are still
problems remaining from the Alaskan spill, but good luck with the
Hey, just out of curiosity - is the Superman in your world snow white
and his face all faceted?
"The environment is better off than before" is one of the more
ludicrous statements made in recent memory.
I took the word destroy literally, and of course the poster was wrong.
Humans are not capable of destroying the earth nor will they ever be.
You, and the OP, are putting the cart before the horse.
Can't argue with that.
Well, what do you expect from the corporo-gov't you now live under?
The real fun will start when the gov't kowtows to the media and takes
over the clean up. LOL
That's understandable coming from someone that is educated on the
topic by the MSM.
When I wrote destroy our planet, I meant 'for us', for our possible
survival as a species.
I'm without a tv and heard of this BP thing by word-of-mouth, and then
But in a way, I'm not overly concerned about it. The Oil Drum website/
forum, which I'm on, is not only about oil, BTW. (Join me.)
Perhaps, but, unlike the Exxon thing, this one may have the
distinction of having occurred very near or after global peak oil
production, if some stats are to be believed, and it may be that the
economic climate we're in is strongly correlated. If it is, then, as
some seem to suggest, it will be a very special "recession" that lasts
I recall the late George Carlin, comedian, saying something to the
effect of 'shrugging humans off like a bad case of fleas'... Should
that occur (and I wouldn't doubt it) I wonder what current species has
the best evolutionary potential to be our successors. Any ideas? (We
may have been merely a trial run.)
I'm posting this from the heart of suburbia, BTW, at an American
multinational corporate cafe amid a big-box-store sprawl. It feels
somewhat surreal and disorienting, and like a giant kid half-casually
designed it and left it, along with tracts of parked toy SUV's, lying
around to be hollowed out and consumerized. I'm not used to this and
have developed a bit of a bout of suburbarria in my rollerblade trek
negotiating vast parking-lots stretching to the horizon... Better head
back home before it gets worse. (In the mean time, maybe that BMW SUV-
driving guy might know where I can pick up some medicine for it... he
seems ok, amazingly enough, so maybe he knows... I'll have to ask...)
Einstein said something like this:
"I don't know how World War III will be but World War IV will be
fought with sticks and stones."
The only living things will be at the molecular level, bacterias,
I think he may have been referring to a nuclear winter... although I
wouldn't discount a runaway greenhouse effect that cooks things up too
far for even cockroaches.
I have something to post for Ken (and something else for you and
something else that might possibly get Rico's attention) so I'll go on
over to his new thread and meet you there. I agree, this thread seem
Check? Why would I want that - can't eat it, can't do anything with it
cept surrender it to some bank somewhere.
I'll just skip the middle man thank you just the same.
Last Friday I told paypal to stick it, after 12 loyal years.
I just struck a deal with Bill Pool, the owner of the sawmill down the
road, for some mighty fine walnut and maple for a project I have
coming up and no money was involved. Gov't constructs are self
destructing, right now, all over. Better figure out a plan B.
You mean government constructs like the MMS? Things designed with no
"purpose"...until you need their oversight?
How do you pay your property tax? Fuel bill, CATV bill, car
insurance? Are you on your way to becoming a financial Luddite? It
can be done, of course, I just don't know why anyone would want to do
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