Just to add from my previous post:
If we're to have, or continue with, some kind of "elected
officialism", and have them help manage and/or manage the funding of
scientific research, how about I/we have choices and votes to
contribute to our research of preference and with maybe something
similar with added checks and balances for questionable research? I
recall seeing an unsettling video that appeared to be a dog's head
being brought back to life in a Russian (or Soviet) lab. I may have
seen it on You Tube and it may still be there. There are viewer
responses below and where you can add your own. Maybe the net in this
and similar ways can help demystify scientific research and the gov't
process, and engage the voting public. The gov't are the people
Perhaps the less hours of work we do and the less, or the more
selective, the funding and research gov't has to work with, the more
responsible/important/critical the research may become if we agree
that there's a question of responsibility, importance, etc., with some
Ah yes, that queen thingy... She's indicative of a larger concern--
the kind of attitude, perhaps, that might keep (some of) us all square
where we are and will ever be. I suppose some people are happy
operating within the bee or ant model, so it might be best if those
who are, get together in a separate colony with the queen and leave
the rest of us alone.
Then maybe we need to re-define/-invent gov't: 'Govmonks R Us!'
Quotes from the clip:
"...So then the reason you pay rent is because if you don't, then some
guy is going to come with a gun and force you out..."
"...it's a really strange system when you have to pay... to exist...
That forces us into the system..."
I've said it before, this thing will level out at ground zero, where
the feet hit the floor.
The skwalkbox at the top means nothing to me, the man on the ground is
When the skwalker claims I have to wear my seatbelt I just ignore it.
When the guy with the gun approaches me we have to deal like human
beings, on MY terms, afterall, he approached ME.
His costume is meaningless, his ideals are lifeless, is worth is
valueless, to me.
THIS is where the battle will take place.
Not on high but on low, down on the ground.
The clowns at the top live by ASSumptions, that what they think holds
It does not, unless you give them value by voluntary submission.
Where the feet hit the floor...? What, when someone gets out of bed?
I'd be dead twice if it weren't for seatbelts. I wore them before
there was a law about it. Neither time was I at fault, so it's not a
"I'm a careful driver so I don't need them" thing. There's a good
chance you'll never need them, but there's a chance that you will.
Your neck, your call, but I don't see how you're "winning".
That sounds like a grade school dance approach to approaching
someone. It's counterproductive and even making such a comment means
you are making a ridiculously large number of assumptions to make
whatever point it is you're trying to make.
An English teacher in high school said something that's stuck with me.
"Respect is giving the other person the benefit of the doubt."
Earning it...? How can someone you just met earn your respect
quickly? Spit farther than you can?
You're making assumptions. A lot of them. Why are you assumptions
Listen, what's up with the whole negative attitude thing? Big fookin'
deal - the world sucks and it ain't fair. You should have learned
that in grade school and been well over it by the time you were 25.
The only thing you're gnawing on, is your own gut.
You got out of FL before it went boom, you have a nice house you're
investing your BS&T into and having fun doing it, you're long time
married and the kids are grown and gone, and you're doing what you
want. So what's with the whole the sky is falling schtick?
Well we all have blind spots, but sometimes we have to put our feet
forward if we're going to go anywhere, despite the knowledge that
we're not going to know precisely where they land... Watch those mines!
Cool term-- 'Al Gorean'... 'Al and his disparate collusion of
Seriously, though, I wonder how big of a volcano-cone and emission one
would have if one added the cumulative circumference of every exhaust
pipe of every transport vehicle and fossil-fuelled energy plant around
What is it at now? 85 million barrels of oil a day? (coal/gas/etc. not
included) I wonder how that compares with a volcano.
Imagine one queen woman popping out kids at the global rate. What is
the global rate these days anyway? 75 million? Well the more consumers
the better, right?
Could you rephrase a bit of that?
I've been doing my homework on peak oil, and it doesn't look like an
oil company scheme. In fact that possibility is at the laughable stage
Intriguing deduction, I wouldn't doubt it.
I was just thinking of Pangaea the other day (also on Wikipedia), as
an idea for the name of a new global free self-governing human tribe
called the Tribe Of Pangaea.
I'm about to look into what creatures were around at that time and
maybe using one of their fossil forms as an icon for the tribe. This
of course is just leisure-time thinking, more of which our society
seems to need.
I've been reading about the big differences between the earth having
it and actually finding it, developing it, extracting it, refining it
and the time, energy, environmental costs, etc. it takes.
Sometimes I feel as though we're already up shit's creek and have lost
one of our two paddles. Volcanoes I can live with.
Isn't that a, oh whats the word I'm grasping for?
Oh yeah, a contradiction?
self = singular
A tribe doesn't have a self.
Only an individual has a self.
Thus there can never be what you said.
Tribe is singular: 'A' tribe.
At any rate-- and this is what I wanted to add-- one of my concerns is
with some people's notion of government as somehow more separate from
the people than other people's notion-- at least in a way that has a
greater weight than merely representing the people. Is your knee
jerking like Ken's yet?
IOW, what I want to promote with Tribe Of Pangaea is the concept of
the individual as the tribe, perhaps not really having or needing a
government at all-- hence self-governing (although maybe the word
govern is a limited word which contains all kinds of dubious
How's your tummy?
It was a type of therapsid, which may be the link between lizards and
Wouldn't it be something if eaons pass and a new species studies our
If you wanted to leave a message, maybe laser-etched at the atomic
level to a molar, what would it be?
Heard about it already, but it's a question of where it is and where's
America's and why haven't they capitalized on it by now? They passed
their peak around about 1970.
In any case, unless oil gets replaced almost as fast as it gets used
up, our barrels are going to go half empty, or half-full if you're
"Stuck on a ship of anger, argument, denial, procrastination and/or
blame, etc., blindly sailing full-speed toward an iceberg with no
lifeboat, rescue or warm water in sight." ...Sounds more like an
epitaph... Ok, I'll work on the molar thing later.
Well sure, we can't fly around the world like superman with x-ray
vision or subterranean fist-/head-drilling capabilities and confirm
the peak oil issues.
So I guess we have to apply some methodology that's as scientific as
we can get, relying on logic, lateral thinking ;) intuition, sifting,
finding patterns, clues, doing a lot of cross-referencing, and so on.
An advertising message seems to require a single source or some kind
of (consensus for) collusion and what it will contain, and how it will
be promoted and so on. But that isn't easy in a world full of people
running around and scientists and industry-insiders, etc. with
different goals, motivations, knowledge, perspectives and agendas.
Don just wrote something about 'following the money':
"For what it's worth, Bush's Crawford ranch has been completely off-
the-grid since 2002. [coincidentally around the time of 9/11] The
ranch is equipped with the latest in energy saving and renewable power
systems. It has been described as an 'environmentalist's dream home.'
Source The fact a man as steeped in the petroleum industry as Bush
would own such a home should tell you something."
"In 2003, the BBC filmed a three-part, relatively apolitical,
documentary entitled 'War for Oil' about the role the Bush
administration's knowledge of Peak Oil played in their decision to
invade and occupy Iraq. As the documentary explains, in private the
Bush administration sees the war in Iraq as 'a fight for survival.' In
a purely Machiavellian world, they were probably correct in their
You can take these two examples (among many others) and plug them in
like the wires of old telephone switchboards to see what kind of
voices you get and where they're coming from-- one of which is Bush on
television suggesting that America is "...addicted to oil."
In any case, if we want to put our feet forward and get anywhere, we
have to decide with the best evidence we can get, which way we're
going to step/go. Will it be off a cliff?
My money is on transitional towns:
That looks the surest bet to me and most in keeping with my values,
even if peak oil's all advertising nonsense.
We touched on global warming on here before, incidentally, and my
answer was essentially that, even if it is false, its "solutions"
seemed more reasonable/attractive than its "denials".
Not really aside from a few related humanities courses in pre-
university college. I've never been interested in studying
philosophers in either, except maybe superficially on the rare
occasion when I was tracking down some kind of information. How about
ὁ δὲ ἀνεξέταστος βίος οὐ βιωτὸς ἀνθρώπῳ
The unexamined life is not worth living for a human being.
Everyone has a philosophy about life, but many don't realize it for
what it is. The absence of a thoughtful philosophy is still a
While I do respect philosophy, and that's a good point, I think we can
respect/learn/study it outside of academe, although at the same time,
I imagine that academe can offer some things not otherwise, normally
or easily experienced else/where/how.
That seems to be a part of, or even encompassing any definition I'm
aware of, yes.
Speaking of which, and quite some time ago, I made a deduction, or
"leap of objectivity" as a friend called it, (maybe 'imagination' as
you might call it) that I thought to be true and that was later
confirmed at McGill University...
The deduction or flow of it was; that if one knew everything that
there was to know-- effectively, if one were "God"-- one could predict
any and all future events:
However, by the very act of making the prediction, of "knowing" the
future, one could or would, paradoxically, render it false, because
steps could be taken to change the outcome. So my deduction was that
the future was fundamentally unpredictable. If this is so, God may not
exist in the classic sense insofar as he/she may not be able to
predict with certainty their own creation's outcome(s).
I mention this in part because imagination, then, seems to be some
kind of fundamental. Perhaps it is related to chaos or the butterfly
effect. A "quantum nudge of one 'function' " perhaps, at the moment of
the big bang to let other forces take over and get things sticking
together to form galaxies, solar systems, etc..
So maybe indeterminism and determinism can co-exist, that they are one
and the same.
Imagine we were the particles in an imaginary big bang explosion: If
we were all equidistant and flew perfectly apart from each other in a
perfect explosion, what do you think would happen to the explosion?
The big bang? I suspect it would fizzle out. But what if God, at some
infinitesimally-small moment at the bang, gave one particle an
ininitesimally-small flick of his finger? What would that particle
then do? Exactly. It would throw the perfect equation off and the
particle would collide and everything would start to collide and stick
or bounce, etc..
This is what my imagination might call the fundamental fractal nudge.
To get reality-- the universe-- you need an imperfect explosion.
So maybe in a sense, if you can imagine it, it's real, just because
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