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It's a buzz-word. If you're a person of minimum intellect, inappropriate is not a problem. Hell, I remember about tumbling over when the NPR "Morning Edition" folks referred to the "right-wing" Communists back in the Yeltsin days.
Of course, to them, only the right was bad....
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God has not been removed from public schools. Teachers and children, at least in my little conservative town in Oregon, may wear symbols of their religious beliefs; two which come to mind immediately are gold crosses and Jewish headscarves. The Jehovah's Witness children are engaged in alternate activities during certain celebrations such as a birthday party in the classroom or holiday activities. Frequently children speak of God in their essays.
There is no edict saying children or teachers may not observe their own religious beliefs. What IS restricted is the teaching staff and administration leading or teaching religion during the public school hours -- if you want your children to learn and be led in their religious practices during the school day, send them to an appropriate religious school.
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Fly-by-Night CC wrote:

The bemoaning of no prayer in school always reminds me that I probably prayed more in school than at any other time. Especially before a test or handing in a paper. Like your town, the people in my little conservative town are more tolerant than I've seen elsewhere. A touch of paradise. Maybe except for the snow. Another foot tonight. :-(     mahalo,     jo4hn
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Actually God HAS been removed from public schools, perhaps not the ones that you are familiar with but the big cities are witnessing this.
Teachers and children, at

I wish that were true in Houston. It is no longer acceptable for judges to have the 10 commandments displayed in their court rooms or the Bible displayed in from of the court house. Putting your hand on the Bible and swearing to tell the truth is probably next.

In many schools God has been stricken from the Pledge of Allegiance also.
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Considering the true biblical meaning of an oath, I shuddered when I saw Bush take his in '04.
I think 'oath' now means "whateverthehellyoucangetawaywith"
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I agree God has been removed from our schools. Not only has God name been removed from the Pledge of Allegiance, put some schools have stopped saying it all together to keep from offending those who are not Americans. My reply to that is they needn't be receiving a free public education then.
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There is no shortage of Americans whose religious belief prohibits saying the Pledge of Allegiance.
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On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:31:57 +0000, Leon wrote:

Good. The phrase "under God" was added by a conservative administration in 1952. Apparently the nation survived quite well for 175 years or so without it. It wasn't there when I went to school :-).
And as far as the pledge itself, it was written in 1892 by the editor of a socialist magazine. Seems Washington didn't think we needed one. Neither did Jefferson. Even Lincoln didn't come up with one in the middle of a war. You know, I agree with them :-).
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YOU were in shcool in 1952 ?????? ;~)
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He may well have been. I was in junior high then.
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Well actually my 2 "OLDER" sisters were too. ;~) I was just yanking Larry's chain. Most of my friends were in school then.
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Am I to understand that in Houston students are not allowed to wear crosses, Jews headscarves and so on? IN Houston are the Jehovah's Witness children required to engage in activities contrary to their faith? Are children not allowed to write about their religious beliefs in their essays?

When it rains, didn't that Bible displayed in front of the courthouse get wet? Sounds impractical to me.
I certainly hope that in Houston as elsewhere, no one is required to take a religious oath prior to testimony, or for any other reason.
Disallowing the use of religious icons to decorate a public building, is hardly tatamount to removing God from the building. Unless my childhood religious education was very much in error, no earthly power can remove God from anywhere. ISTM that if someone who insists on conspicuous displays of their religious icons by their government is a person who is without faith.

"Under God" is not part of the Pledge of Allegiance. It was 'added' by a well-intentioned but ill-considered act of Congress in the 1950's.
If the Congress didn't like the pledge, they should have written their own and not messed with someone else's composition. Can you imagine an act of Congress making a change to one of the ten commandments?
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In the public schools that my son attended, most of that is pretty much correct. Crossed could be worn under the uniform shirt. Dress codes were enforced.

No, IIRC it was in some kind of protective display case, it may not have even been real but there was a bit news week when certainpeople wanted it removed.

You mean I swear to tell the truth and the whole truth, so Help me God? Is there any court room in the US that does not require that?

A constant reminder of God is no harm to anyone not is it a sign of lack of faith. A conspicous display of their religious icon by anyone, is not a sign of a person who is with out faith. If you believe that, explain that to any priest. It matters not, where the display is.

Thats crap. The Under God IS a part of the pledge, not all the time but has been for a very long time. If you want to argue, just say so.
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On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 23:31:51 GMT, "Leon"

Howdy,
Perhaps I misunderstand just what your "Thats [sic] crap" refers to, but the phrase "under God" was added June 14, 1954.
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So you agree, it being added indicates that it is a part of the pledge.
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On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 00:06:50 GMT, "Leon"

'Sorry, I was not playing word games...
Of course it is part of the pledge "now", but the clear intent of the original post about it was that the phrase was not part of the pledge originally.
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Nor was I.

IIRC "I" made the original post about the Pledge of Allegence being attacked because God was mentioned in it. Further response to my post disputed that God was part of the pledge.

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I have sat on juries in Ohio and Maryland. Neither required a religious oath. Any requirement that a person make a statement implying religious belief is a clear blatant violation of the First Amendment.

Why does a person who has faith need a constant reminder? and why does a person who has faith need to canstantly remind other people?

We simply disagree.

The Congress didn't write the Pledge of Allegiance so it is no more appropriate for the Congress to edit it than it is for the Congress to edit anyone else's writings.
What purpose is served by adding divisive language to the Pledge?
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That's sad and further evidence of morals going down the tubes. I have been in Texas court rooms on numerous occasions and the oath required So help me God.
Any requirement that a person make a statement implying

If that person objects, he can simply say in him mind, I take all that back. He can deal with that when his time comes. If he does not believe in those set of beliefs or morals, they should not matter to him. It should only bother him and his God if he is being deceitful or dishonest. You see, God is not easily fooled and knows whether you are being honest or not.

I don't know about you but I and many others are still only human and have many faults. We all need constant reminders so that the constant presence of evil does not dominate. Who? reminds others?

No kidding.

I cannot explain that to you. Most prefer it and are conforted by it. I would much rather feel that this nation is monitored by God than not. Maybe you feel that you don't need or feel his presence if you have to ask that question.
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On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 00:42:54 GMT, "Leon"

Hi Leon,
Assuming that you are correct, why would it be important that such oaths are spoken?
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