Hope this time we get better reviews. I left the music, but it's only on the
first page along with the annoying following words. Remember HONEST opinons.
I won't take it too bad,.
Still with the mouse droppings following the pointer around?
I must have a low threshold for pain when it comes to these
things. In other words, sorry, I bailed at the first hint
of this annoyance.
Well...since you asked...
I work part-time as an Internet developer. When I first started learning in
1996, there were a few things that were considered frivolous toys that new
and/or amateur designers feel they NEEDED to do. Back then it was adding
MIDI files in the background for music and blinking text. They were always
frowned upon from a good design standpoint. They still are.
The mouse trail, while entertaining for a second to somebody that has never
seen it, is equivalent to blinking text. In all honesty, I left the site
before the page even finished loading. The music was enough to drive me
If this is a personal site where you just want to talk about anything, do
what you want. Since I got the impression (in the 1.2 seconds I stuck
around) that this is a business site, design elements must be pleasing to
the end user AKA "the people that will pay you money for your widgets". <g>
I remember reading a book that said "if you think you need to add one more
little gimmick to your page, you have already done too much." Content is
king. The music and the mouse trail will not sell your items, but a visually
appealing and non-intrusive display of the items will.
I hope this helps. You're brave for standing in front of a firing squad
Good luck with your venture,
It has music? I won't even bother going then. Last thing I need is for
music to suddenly blast when I'm browsing late at night while my wife is
asleep or if there is a meeting going on in the office at work.
Actually Ed, you're missing out on a real opportunity.
Wait 'til she's asleep. Turn the volume on your PC up to MAXimum.
Hit the site, and start screaming "CIRCLE THE WAGONS!!!"
But don't plan on breakfast in the morning. ;>
You must not have looked at the URLs I left in response to the first
post. If you're trying to do this for a business, you have to remember
it's not YOUR site; it's the customer's site. They're the one you want
to attract and keep there.
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
Obviously not, which puts him dangerously close to being a spammer.
Rich, in addition to the suggestions of everyone else in the thread:
Scrap the entire site and start over. If you wouldn't pay $10,000 to
a publishing company to produce a print catalogue that looked exactly
like your sight, (and God, I hope you wouldn't), then you have _no_
reason to think that your sight will attract business simply because
it's on the web. It's not 1996. The novelty factor of the web is now
zero. You have to actually accord web viewers the same level of
professionalism that print advertisers do. Fortunately for you, you
don't have to spend much money to achieve that level of
professionalism. But you do have to spend the time to know what that
Web viewers are not stupid. It's rather insulting to them to be told
"website orders get 20% off (!!!)" when it's obvious that web viewers
are your only (potential) customers. Drop your selling price by 20%
or don't, but remove the line. Nobody is going to think they're
getting a "special" price, okay? Stop treating me like I'm a chump.
You changed your "shop" photo from one of a door, to one of a mess. I
know, shops are messy, but you're putting it up on display to show
people you're a legitimate "business" here, so at least for the web
photos, clean it up.
And seriously now, Dude, is that, like, _laundry_ hanging over your
tools? What's with the towels?
Please don't post your _business_ URL here again, unless you've really
made some significant changes to your entire site, along the lines of
the suggestions you've been given by several folks on this newsgroup.
The responders here have done so in order to help you succeed, but
generally don't take kindly to those who use any excuse as reason
enough to throw their URL out into usenet.
Good luck. Get to work.
Geez, who the hell do you think you are to bar people from posting
anything? Since we are into giving honest opinions, here's mine: your
posting stinks of "asshole."
Gotta love a judgemental know-it-all.
Someone who's apparently taken more time to read the groups charter,
guidelines and faq than you have.
Loosen up the suspenders on your lederhosen there Skippy, you're going
to hurt youself. An asshole would have just reported a spammer to his
ISP. Instead, several of us here, (myself included), gave
constructive criticism as was asked for. If you had a clue about the
purpose of this group and what it generally frowns on, you'd realize
what a service that was to the OP.
Since the OP is busy justifying what he continues to do instead of
initiating any actual changes in his website, one can only conclude
that his _real_ motive here is to spam, not improve. So, the
courteous response he initially got will/has turned.
Your post stinks of a self-absorbed whiner who's above any set of
guidelines that might limit his doing whatever he wants in a
newsgroup. A classic action from one who obviously thinks its a
"free" usenet and anything goes. Rules don't apply to you, right?
Anything you judge as against what you _personally_ think usenet ought
to be like isn't acceptable at all, is it? Screw the conventions of
usenet, you're above them...
That's too bad. You might have learned something. My guess is that you are,
or soon will be, in more killfiles than Mr. Baglio is. But that's just MHO.
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
For a copy of my TrollFilter for NewsProxy/Nfilter,
send email to autoresponder at filterinfo-at-milmac-dot-com
Actually, I don't think it was CONSTRUCTIVE I think it was mean and
belittleing. Although, some people did give good suggestions others were
just plain COLDHEARTED. THis is not a business, it is a hobby, one that I
hope to use to make enough money to buy some more equipment to better my
projects. Maybe then I can become OLD and Cranky like some people in here.
No offense, but I came here to learn and I got good information and when I
tried to show off some of the things that you guys are teaching, I get
nothing but mean misguided opinions. I hope that when I get old I stay
regular and don't get as constipated as some people here. I still hope to
learn from you guys as woodworkers although I don't expect to learn
Twit filter, man, twit filter... Figure out how to use it on your reader.
With newsreaders, as in real life, you can choose who you listen to.
Ain't no use listening to someone always feeding you crap and turning a
good day into a bad one.
That's right. Constructive and cold-hearted. Welcome to the business
world. You want warm fuzzies, get your web-business marketing advice
from your mommy. "Why Ritchie, that's beayuuuutiful! And
wolf-howling noises! Aren't _you_ the clever boy!!! <blink-blink>"
As soon as you put your stuff up for sale to the public, it's a
business. Grow up and stop whining.
Which _might_ happen if you stop getting offended when people
criticise your site, and start making the suggested changes. Stop
Classic. _You_ get all the free advice, _we're_ mean.
You got a lot to learn about compassion. Go read Matthew 7, verse 6.
Try not to get snot on the page.
Wed, Feb 25, 2004, 6:57pm (EST+5) email@example.com (Rich)
Actually, I don't think it was CONSTRUCTIVE I think it was mean and
Time you learned then, if you don't want to hear the answer, don't
ask the question. I think all the reponses were constructive, and none
of them mean and/or belittleing.
Although, some people did give good suggestions others were just plain
I don't think any of the responses were coldhearted. Probably just
not as sweet as you would have wanted. Remember, you asked.
THis is not a business, <snip>
If you're selling, it's a business.
No offense, <snip>
But, I'm sure some people were offended by your response. I wasn't
particularly, but sure can understand why some would be.
I hope that when I get old I stay regular and don't get as constipated
as some people here. <snip>
Then just get a colon resection, you'll be regular like you won't
Georges Clemenceau supposedly said, "War is too important a matter to be
left to the military". If this is so, it is then obvious that peace is
too precious to be left to politicians.
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 28 Feb 2004.
Some tunes I like.
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 14:49:37 -0500 (EST), firstname.lastname@example.org (J
Hmmm... this is a newsgroup first.
I just agreed with everything you said.
I'd better go take something.
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