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snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com says...

If you live somewhere where that is the case it might make sense. Having gone without power for more than week last year my view is somewhat different.

Sorry, little troll, but I'm not rising to that bait, so you can get back under your bridge and wait for the next billy goat.
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On 03/30/2012 03:40 PM, J. Clarke wrote:

Sheesh - another one in the bin.
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On 3/27/2012 8:45 PM, Doug Winterburn wrote:

And just think, you probably would not have to have a solar supplement if you did not have to pay all those fees!!!. ;~) Looks like a telephone bill.
Good for you Doug! Keep us posted.
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On 03/28/2012 06:03 AM, Leon wrote:

Yup, almost $19/month even if we don't use any juice from the grid. We solved the phone bill taxes and fees with Vonage for a landline and TracFones for cell usage. May even drop the landline as we only use about $10 month apiece for TracFone and Vonage runs $17 or so a month.

Solar makes sense here in the AZ desert. Would probably make as much sense in Texas. It also helps that we head to cooler climes in the summer and should be banking a lot of juice. It will be interesting to see if we have a positive balance at years end and are able to get a check from the utility. We have already received a $400 referral from SolarCity :-)
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"Doug Winterburn" wrote in message
We solved the phone bill taxes and fees with Vonage for a landline and TracFones for cell usage. May even drop the landline as we only use about $10 month apiece for TracFone and Vonage runs $17 or so a month.
You do realize that with a phone system like that, during any kind of disaster situation you will be cut off with no communication, right? The Vonage is iffy. The cell phone is guaranteed useless.
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On 03/28/2012 07:26 AM, CW wrote:

When we're on the road, cell will have to do. At home, I can walk the one block to the fire station or two blocks to the hospital or three blocks to the police dept. And then the emergency care center is behind my house.
Besides, there aren't many floods or earthquakes or hurricanes or whatever here in the AZ desert, just heat and dust.
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 07:33:41 -0700, Doug Winterburn wrote:

Don't know about where you are, but in AL even a phone line that has been had the service cancelled will still call 911.
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snipped-for-privacy@earthlink.et says...

Here in CT during the blackout last year cell was the only thing that was kind of working. The land lines were down so POTS was out.
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On 3/27/2012 6:45 PM, Doug Winterburn wrote:

What size space are you heating/cooling ???
That's a very small KW usage for the average house.
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On 03/28/2012 07:30 AM, Pat Barber wrote:

1850 sq ft. Heating and hot water is NG. We averaged about 1100 kWh/month for the two years before installing solar - about 500 kWh min and 1800 kWh max. We are somewhat more careful in turning of lights etc since. The 6kW system so far has produced:
Dec: 736kWh Jan: 818kWh Feb: 945kWh Mar: 1100kWh (projected since it's currently 986+ approx 40kWh for 4 more days)
The June number should be the max and I'm guessing 1200 - 1400 kWh
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On 3/28/2012 7:53 AM, Doug Winterburn wrote:

Ok...that makes more sense to me now... 1100 kw is a pretty impressive output for solar.
NG for heating and hot water really saves the $$$
Water heater, dryer and heat pumps are the big ticket items for lots of KW's.
People are anal about the lights, but you could leave ALL the lights on 24X7 and still not burn many kw's.
Say 1000 watts a day for 30 days = 30,000 watts per month / 1000 = 30kw x .08 = $2.40 per month for the lights. (10 100w bulbs burning 24x7)
PS: Electrical Engineers may now jump in for corrections.
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"Pat Barber" wrote:

---------------------------------- Don't forget the reefer(s).
They suck up mucho KWs.
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On 3/28/2012 8:15 AM, Pat Barber wrote:

if you own the system, you don't get a check. you get a credit for future bills in the next year. i don't know what happens if you're leasing the system.
last year i generated 14200 kwh, which resulted in a $200 credit at the end of the year. my total charges for 2011 was $430 (including fees), about $1650 under what i estimate i would have paid without solar. i have a 2800 sqft house with 2 ac units, and run a couple of electric kilns a lot, so my typical usage is higher than yours.
so far this year i've generated 2890kwh, more than i've used so i've been generating more credits. since my bills haven't totaled 200 yet, my 1st 3 bills this year so far are $0.
you can upload your data and plot your generation at http://pvoutput.org to compare your generation with others. my system is <http://pvoutput.org/list.jsp?id 69&sid00>
regards, charlie cave creek, az
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On 03/28/2012 09:49 AM, chaniarts wrote:

Charlie,
Are you a Solar City customer or did you purchase from some other solar company?
How do you upload to pvout.org (automatically?) your stats?
I'm leasing my system as I couldn't afford the purchase and as well the lease includes any maintenance and a purchase didn't.
On the lease, any annual credits are paid to me rather than carrying over.
Thanks,
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On 3/28/2012 5:37 PM, Doug Winterburn wrote:

i bought my system.
if you have a login to pvoutput, you can add either 1 day at a time, or if you have a .csv, you can bulk upload 3 months at a time.
once you're logged in, you can use this http://pvoutput.org/addoutput.jsp to upload a day. at the bottom are links for different multiple uploaders.
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????
You don't pay for electricity by the watt-day, you pay by the watt-hour. Multiply your number by 24.

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J. Clarke wrote:

10 bulbs X 100w = 1000w (or 1kw) 1000w X 24hr = 24000w (24kw) 24kw X 30 days = 720000w (or 720kw)
a Kilowatt hour is 1000 watts. So 720000w / 1000 = 720kwh
If you are stuck on a Co-Op electric system you are paying about twice that of the average person ($0.18) - otherwise about $0.09 a kwh) 720kwh @ $0.18 = $129.60 720kwh @ $0.09 = $64.80
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watts x hours is watt-hours, not watts 24 kwh

72000 wh (72 kwh)
(Actually, 24 kw for 30 days would be about 17 Mwh, and probably melt your wiring).

1000 watt hours

(I assume you get it by now)
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Drew Lawson wrote:

SNIP
I think my math made enough sense. I don't want to quibble over terms but I think if you understand what I said you wouldn't say that 24kw for 30 days would melt the wires. The 24kw was the days cumulative watts (which my math made clear).
All energy was expressed in watts until a final conversion to kwh... Kilowatt Hour: noun - :A unit of energy equal to the work done by a power of 1000 watts operating for one hour Kilowatt: noun - A unit of power equal to 1000 watts
... but for someone simply wanting to calc their bill and not planning a wiring system (as the discussion) dividing watts by 1000 is kwh.
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