REQ: New Yankee Workshop Deluxe Router Station Plans

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Ah, of course. I understand, and I thank you both for the correction, and for taking my post exactly as seriously as I did.
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On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 15:15:37 -0400, "Lee Gordon"

Is it an en-dash or em-dash?
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What's wrong with top posting? After one has read the post a number of times as I'm sure most of us have, it is a pain in the ass to have to scroll down all the time to read a reply. I agree one should bottom post initially, but after the post has been shown a number of times why continue to bottom post??
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Well then, snip un-needed context (as I have done, and you didn't). You don't talk backwards, why write that way?

The post shouldn't _be_ seen multiple times. Put enough context in a layer or two deep to communicate what you're answering, and answer it. Move to the next point.
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Hmm - I agree that theft is theft however there is more than one software company that could be accused of stealing from it's customers . . . If I pay for something I expect it to work as advertised or it needs to be fixed ( I am not talking about 5-10 years from now I am talking about it having NEVER worked correctly) - ever try to return a software package after it was opened because it did not work as advertised - the store will not take it back and when you read the warranty it says basically that "the program is warranted to be copied correctly to the disc and the media will be replaced if defective..." I am not ranting against the tech industry ( I work in tech) since when it is asking too much to have a piece of software work as expected (and as it has been promoted to work)?
A friend of mine works for a large famous software that shall remain nameless but he told me how he sat in a meeting with the VP of their division as the VP said .."f_ _ k the customers, if they don't like it f_ _ k them. . . "My friend is in the process of leaving the company . . .
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Which doesn't excuse people from stealing from anyone else.

I guess that's a good reason to go with open-source software, or to at least research what you're considering buying before you buy it then, isn't it?

Well, what alternative does the retailer have? Otherwise, you'd have people going in, opening up the packaging, making a copy, and returning it for full credit. Can you see the obvious avenue for abuse if that was allowed? Just like the auto parts store not taking returns on electronic components (which can easily be fried by improper handling or installation), there is no reason a retailer should be expected to help someone get something they haven't paid for.
> I am not ranting against the tech industry ( I work in

What does that have to do with some guy wanting us to steal Norm's work for him? There's bad software out there. Do your research and avoid it.

I don't blame him. And yet, none of that should reflect on anything other than the company in question. Just because there are bad producers out there doesn't justify stealing from anyone - even those bad producers.
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How you keep a troll busy!
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On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:33:27 +0000 (UTC), "SeeAll"

Copyright has been around far longer than both the Internet and your self-serving notion of what its "spirit" is. Freeloading twit.
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SeeAll wrote:

That long, huh...wow!

Yes, it has, but in the diametrically opposed direction of which you seem to speak... :(

That's a wholly different concept than deliberately using it to evade copyright and steal another's work...
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Are you referring to selfish cheapskates like yourself who won't fork over a couple of bucks for somebody else's hard work? Twit.
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On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 15:33:27 +0000 (UTC), "SeeAll"

As you clearly demonstrate, expecting someone to violate the law to do something for you. What a twit.

OK, so you are also a communist twit.

Fortunately, the thieves like you who tried to push that vision of the Internet have been bludgeoned into submission so that the entire thing has survived this far. Only an idiotic, communistic, twit would think that the Internet can possibly survive without commercialism.
Enjoy your quest for someone who desires to see the economy collapse as the amoral majority grasp greedily for what they have no right to.
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Exactly. There were clueless twits on the internet 15 years ago too; most of them either got a clue eventually, or went away. It's always funny when a persistantly clueless one thinks that their long presence somehow validates their opinion.
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Hi group,
I've monitored all your utterings since my original request for plans. It appears many of you spend too much time sitting in front of a monitor pontificating, rather than constructing.
The reason I wanted the plans was to assist me with my own router table. To see if Norm had any innovative features I could adapt, I fear not the table is very simple in concept. In fact it has features which would cause many problems with dust accumulation around the router, possibly a fire risk with the very fine dust from MDF. One or two mentioned if I had seen the table, I haven't I have only seen it mentioned on the newsgroups and photo's on TNYW site.
BTW I have received 52 requests for copies of the plans. In view of the strong feelings within the group and the possibility of injury to potential builders I have decided not to forward them.
I look forward to comments
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Your opinions about how others prioritize time is noted and given appropriate consideration.

(snip self-justification of why stealing plans without paying Norm is OK, because blah blah blah and that's somehow different than blah blah)

Riiiiiight. I don't believe at least 3 of your points in the above 2 sentences.
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Tim Douglass wrote:

Freely sharing INFORMATION is not the same as blatantly violating copyright law.

A cheap thieving twit, they're not all communists.

Commercialism has nothing to do with it, and this is not a board. Fact is, use of the internet to vioolate intellectual property lasws has become easier with the rise of ISPs who sell access to the internet. Unlike the pre-commercial days, when every system manager was held accountable for his users, today's ISPs are only interested in avoiding liability, they don't give a damn about the internet itself, or even their own reputation.

No doubt the internet would have survived and flourished without commercialism. It did fine beofor commercialism. Without commercialism it would never be as large as it is today, the web might not have come about, but the basic internet would cerainly have survived becuause it is so useful.
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SeeAll (in dae986$plq$ snipped-for-privacy@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com) said:
| I've been using the internet for 15+ years and over those years the | web has been taken over by selfish individuals. The spirit of the | internet is to freely share information. When you have finished | with an item you post it for others to share. I suppose it is to | be expected that has more and more people use the medium | commercialism moves in. I will try other boards of which thankfully | there are many.
Hmmm. Not much sign of sharing in the other direction since 1981. Mind the wrap.
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SeeAll wrote:

Hey cheap skate, buy the plan or don't you recognise copyright laws?
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SeeAll wrote:

Sorry, but that's copyrighted material.
Can't you design your own router table?
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Brian Siano wrote:

No need to apologize. It is legal to buy and sell coyrighted material. Bookstores do it all the time.

Evidently not.
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Maybe he figures us "YANKS" still owe the Brits something . . . .
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