That's not correct! It has nothing to do with the evasion of copyright protection. If you have licensed software, you are prohibited from giving it away even if you no longer need it. If I gave you my copy of XP when I installed Linux, I broke the law. Over all though it has only to do with making a copy.. copy-right. You buy one item and make a "copy" that violates the law.
I have an excellent grasp, you didn't read it correctly.
I don't dismiss it you made that assumption.
If they want copyright privileges,then they should be held responsible for providing owners with specific product upgrades and support for the life of the product...
What this says is that, the owner has certain rights as do the creator. Honestly if anybody is still using software that's 10 years old, I'd say that they're having a tough time. If somebody wants copyright's for 20 years, then fine support that product for 20 years! You have to distinguish from devices to software to music and movies! How many times have you bought a product that didn't perform as it claims or have it break. The difficulty in exchanging and repairing is at most difficult or cost prohibitive.
I have patents and certainly protect myself. I simply feel that owners/users should be afforded rights attributed to those who choose to copyright. Freeware is freeware user beware, but as for buying I think consumers should be given equal footing and protection under the copyright laws. Ever buy something that failed that actually cost you more to return, then it did to buy? Happens everyday but there are no laws to protect you.............. Your on your own, they're protected and enforced by the Federal Government
privileges,
What's that got to do with using something you don't want to pay for?
And this justifies theft how, exactly?
And what does that have to do with some bozo wandering in asking us to steal plans for him?
In other words, "some guy sold me crappy software so I'm going to steal software from now on"? If it's crappy, don't use it. If you just say it's crappy, and then use it anyway, you're just using an excuse to steal it. Will I support software I wrote 25 years ago? Sure, but you're gonna pay me by the hour, and if you expect something I wrote in
1980, or 1990, or even 2000 to still be under some sort of warranty, well, you're delusional.Dave Hinz
See who's talking about stealing anything............If you simply argue for arguments sake...........then have at it!
I basically said that "Equal Protection" should be extended under the Copyright law. Consumers Rights, should be as important as the copyright. I can see you never paid 10K+ for a computer or software application.... that didn't perform as sold. Don't get me wrong, just as there are good honest company's and good honest people. Both deserve protection under the law! But currently the laws weight protects many dishonest company's over an honest persons. My point was the abuse of situations that company's claims are unsupported and the difficulty or making things to costly to resolve happen more and more frequently and in most cases it's buyer beware........
and don't tell me you never bought something, where the product line or company was purchased, the Purchase Agreement thusly null and void, and they still sell the same product now under a different name or even the same, simply voiding the original contracts for the only purpose of evading support for the sake of profit. I purchased a software firewall 5 months ago, it was sold, I now need to pay (the current company) for support or get it fixed, even to upgrade. Nothing about that in the License Agreement I agreed too!
I said nothing about stealing but you really got stuck on that! You must feel very guilty about something huh?
privileges,
Jesus Where Are you Coming From? This has NOTHING to do with NOT PAYING FOR SOMETHING!
EQUAL PROTECTION UNDER THE LAW....................
Are you challenged, why are you so fixated on theft... I WASN'T TAKING OR JUSTIFYING IT... ONLY STATING THAT CONSUMERS DESERVE EQUAL PROTECTION UNDER THE EXTENT OF THE COPYRIGHT! You want you cake and eat it too, tough!
did you get left back in 5th grade or something? I don't think I'd pay you very much for anything you've ever done.... Looks like it'd never work right anyway! You can't even read....................
Ta Ta!
Have you ever noticed that when you top-post it makes it really hard to quote the context of what you're talking about?
You have no idea of my technical experience and responsibilities. And
10K would be cheap for most of the software packages I deal with - that wouldn't even pay yearly maintenance on most of them.Just because you pay 6 figures for a software package, doesn't mean they have to, or should, support you forever. And yet, you still don't have the right to give their work away to someone else, because you bought the right to use it, not to copy and distribute it.
So stop buying Microsoft, and 90% of your problems will go away. Even though I feel strongly that they have set back the world of computing by a decade or more, making people just accept security and stability problems as "normal and expected", I _still_ won't steal from them or help anyone else to do it.
What does that have to do with some guy wandering in here asking for one of us to steal from Norm for him?
That was a really long....sentence? And I'm not sure what it's supposed to mean.
So don't give them any more money, and get a good firewall from someone reputable. Or stop fooling yourself and get a hardware firewall.
No, I'm pissed off that I've found copies of programs that _I_ have written being distributed by people who had no right to do so. There's no difference, ethically, between stealing software from a programmer, plans from Norm, or music from a musician. If you want to use it, pay for it. If you don't like the terms and conditions of the sale, don't buy it, and don't use it.
Where I work, I actually had a 20 something kid (who had kids of his own, believe it or not), tell me that, because businesses screw their customers everyday, that it is not only okay, but morally justified to steal from all business everyday. He bragged on the fact that he had found a site online that gave him passwords and ID's for AOL, and hadn't paid for internet service for that past couple of years. I told him that, if his parents weren't ashamed of him, then they were pretty despicable, too.
To be proud that you are stealing...........sorry, I was raised better than that.
only anal retentive bottom feeders bottom post!
You talk shit, bcause if time was money you wouldn't be wasting it posting your shit on rec.woodworking!
Find another kid to play in your sandbox!
There's a dash in anal-retentive, by the way.
Actually, I'm waiting for a build to finish at the moment. Not that you're my boss or anything.
Well, it's not like you're particularly an interesting turd to play with...
We are not talking of software licensing agreements here...they're not copyrights.
We're talking about a simple copyright on a document.
It is perfectly ok to take and give away your book after you read it--it is also perfectly ok to resell it to someone else after your done. It is ok to make a copy and give that to someone else or resell the copy.
Same th> > >
That is a contractual stipulation added in addition too (and probably in place of) a simple copyright. AFAIK, there are no such stipulations made on the Abrams plans other than they are copyright material.
It does indeed, depend on the existence of any additional strictures--I never said it couldn't...
First intelligent thing I've seen you say.
Hmm - I agree that theft is theft however there is more than one software company that could be accused of stealing from it's customers . . . If I pay for something I expect it to work as advertised or it needs to be fixed ( I am not talking about 5-10 years from now I am talking about it having NEVER worked correctly) - ever try to return a software package after it was opened because it did not work as advertised - the store will not take it back and when you read the warranty it says basically that "the program is warranted to be copied correctly to the disc and the media will be replaced if defective..." I am not ranting against the tech industry ( I work in tech) since when it is asking too much to have a piece of software work as expected (and as it has been promoted to work)?
A friend of mine works for a large famous software that shall remain nameless but he told me how he sat in a meeting with the VP of their division as the VP said .."f_ _ k the customers, if they don't like it f_ _ k them. . . "My friend is in the process of leaving the company . . .
BillyB
Which doesn't excuse people from stealing from anyone else.
I guess that's a good reason to go with open-source software, or to at least research what you're considering buying before you buy it then, isn't it?
Well, what alternative does the retailer have? Otherwise, you'd have people going in, opening up the packaging, making a copy, and returning it for full credit. Can you see the obvious avenue for abuse if that was allowed? Just like the auto parts store not taking returns on electronic components (which can easily be fried by improper handling or installation), there is no reason a retailer should be expected to help someone get something they haven't paid for.
What does that have to do with some guy wanting us to steal Norm's work for him? There's bad software out there. Do your research and avoid it.
I don't blame him. And yet, none of that should reflect on anything other than the company in question. Just because there are bad producers out there doesn't justify stealing from anyone - even those bad producers.
Ownership is Ownership regardless of Product, Pretty much everything is copyrighted software and everything else. I'd say that if you purchase a schematic or plans they to will include an agreement thet further protects them. Certainly allow me to build one, but not 10....either to sell or give away! As for books themselves let say you purchased the book, and you mother is blind it would most certainly be illegal for you to transpose it to braille or audio even though no such media exsists for that book. Or even say for it's own protection that this book is one of a kind and no longer in print,
protection...
Not true. You may be in violation of MickeySoft's license agreement, but not copyright law.
how do you keep a troll busy!
How you keep a troll busy!
You are correct, but we are argueing more then one point. A license agreement is a a license agreement, the arguement was that the copyright concerned only violating the software protection, that's not true....
As you clearly demonstrate, expecting someone to violate the law to do something for you. What a twit.
OK, so you are also a communist twit.
Fortunately, the thieves like you who tried to push that vision of the Internet have been bludgeoned into submission so that the entire thing has survived this far. Only an idiotic, communistic, twit would think that the Internet can possibly survive without commercialism.
Enjoy your quest for someone who desires to see the economy collapse as the amoral majority grasp greedily for what they have no right to.
-- "We need to make a sacrifice to the gods, find me a young virgin... oh, and bring something to kill"
Tim Douglass
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