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On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 23:27:41 -0400, "J. Clarke"

They won't do you any good if you don't have them, either.

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On 8/21/2016 10:27 PM, krw wrote:

Agreed. But that will only last so long. And I don't have a fort.
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You've got a good point. Just saving your money costs 2-3% a year in inflation, unless you invest it somewhere to match or exceed that. Trouble is, it's hard to do that if you don't already have a bunch of it.
There's also saving disguised as spending. Consider this: A top quality tool will last decades and you get to enjoy all the benefits of the top quality tool: better quality cords, reduced noise, etc. A junk tool will last 2-3 years and you'll either replace it out of annoyance or it will break.
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On 8/21/2016 10:13 PM, woodchucker wrote:

Why would the market crash? After all, we have an important election and we'll have a new President!
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On 8/22/2016 4:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Need I say more. 2 useless A holes. An egotistical maniac , and a super bitch on wheels, who has rubbed out anyone who has dirt on her. She belongs in prison. 14,900 new emails, that her lawyers want to wait until Oct 14th to start releasing. Seems a little suspicious to me.
What we need is a strong personality that will do no further harm to this country. Someone who'll think before they speak. Someone that is out for themselves..
Never going to happen.
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On 8/22/2016 7:10 PM, woodchucker wrote:

I'm thinking of cashing out my 401k and hiding it under the mattress. At least it may have the buying power of 10 cents on the dollar as opposed to what the market may be like.
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Then buy gold, or better yet, silver (easier to protect). If things go South, it'll increase in value. If not, you won't have zero.
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On 8/19/2016 12:07 AM, OFWW wrote:

Keep in mind that I have no expertise in this area at all, but what struck me was not so much the actual cost, but the way the contractor computed/defended it. Unless you are omitting significant details, I see no mention of any specifics.
It reminds me of some (alleged) painters that my wife and I were recommended to when we were very young. They were parishioners at a family member's church, a factor that was supposed to weigh in their favor; evidence of their upright character.
They gave us a price that I can no longer remember, but it sure seemed like a lot (in 1980s dollars) for a pretty small job. When we expressed surprise and dismay at the cost, they defended the estimate, saying that "*We asked professionals*, and they said this was the right amount to charge."
Needless to say, we did the painting ourselves.
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I tend to avoid those tradesmen who have signs like "Jesus is my crescent wrench" or "Christ is my best bristle brush" because they seem to feel that their piety gives them a license to steal. Sort of like gypsies.
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Yeah, seems like there is a lot of those.
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On 8/19/2016 11:47 AM, dadiOH wrote:

Well, what I was really getting at was that these guys - green enough to need to *ask* professional what to charge - quoted us what "professionals" allegedly charge.
I just got a quote for a concrete job. He was obviously working out the job in his head. "It should take a week ... It'll take x yards... it's 1200 sq. ft ... I'll need the pumper truck for two days ... I'll do it for $xxxx.xx That made me feel a little more like the price was based on something.
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On Friday, August 19, 2016 at 11:27:34 AM UTC-4, Greg Guarino wrote:

I once got a roofing estimate from a contractor who told me right up that his quote was going to be 20-30% higher than anyone else's. He defended that by saying that they had the newest trucks in town and special equipment that could get the material to the roof more efficiently than anyone else. He said that he could save at least a half day, maybe a whole day, on the job because his equipment was better.
Translation: I need you to help me re-coup the money I spent on the equipment that will allow me to squeeze more roofing jobs into a week than anyone else.
I politely sent him away in his brand new truck.
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On 8/19/2016 11:50 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:

Similar thing here. A guy locally wanted to pass a law that anyone doing driveway sealing had to use stainless containers. He wrote to the newspaper explaining it. Because guys that did't were undercutting him, and that it made for a higher quality product.
People writting in let him have it.
What a jerk.
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On Fri, 19 Aug 2016 08:50:53 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

He certainly had guts. no brains to speak of.
My wife who watches all the home rebuilding shows who otherwise knows very little about such things was wondering what was with this guy. Even she had an idea of what worst case scenario's would cost.
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On Fri, 19 Aug 2016 08:50:53 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

A few decades ago, we needed Roto Rooter out to clean the sewer line. The guy justified his price ($150 in the mid 80s, IIRC) by saying that his power auger cost $5000. OK, that computer on the desk cost $5000, too and his truck in the driveway cost more than both. It's a cost of doing business.
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On 8/18/2016 11:07 PM, OFWW wrote:

Double that number and you can but a new 2000+ sq.ft. home on a 7500 sq ft lot. in the Houston area.
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