Your last suggestion, an attack dog, has a great deal of merit. Your other
two suggestions border on a death wish.
There are a significant number of people on whom pepper spray has no
effect - in particular most speed-freaks. Your next suggestion generates the
headline: "He brought a flashlight to a knife fight."
The only effective deterrent to an attack is a firearm. Period.
Uh, is it lawful to spray someone with pepper spray?
As for spraying someone with bug spray being a violation of Federal law, I'd
like to see an example of someone being successfully prosecuted under
Federal law for dousing an assailant with bug spray.
In point of fact anything you do may result in a lawsuit, including the use
of pepper spray.
Just remember, "It is better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6".
Except of course that the manufacturer of the pepper spray will stand
behind its certification that it will cause no permanent harm. The
courts, criminal and civil, all take that into account. Many state and
local laws specify what is "legal" pepper spray and declare all other
substances illegal to use for self defense.
I just love it when someone thinks the law will be applied the way
THEY think makes sense. They are invariably wrong, but theior theories
make for entertaining reading.
And of course we all know that manufacturers of products are credible
witnesses regarding their safety (can you say "Pinto").
Please provide an example of a state law that says that it is prohibited to
_use_ any specific substance for self defense. The ones that I have seen
regulate sale or possession, not use. I have never heard of any law which
enumerates what is and is not an acceptable means of self-defense.
So you're saying that it's better to be dead than to be tried for dousing an
assailant with bug spray? If so then quite frankly you're a damned fool.
It would probably be tied to intent. If you got an avaricious prosecutor
whose view is that it is up to the police to protect the public and he/she
wanted to make a case of it, if he/she could show that you had the bug spray
*specifically* to use for self-defense (i.e., intent), then he/she might go
after you for that. If on the other hand, you grabbed the bug spray just
because it was the closest thing to hand and you were in danger, you were
simply using the most expedient article available for your self-defense.
... and that's the point, isn't it. There was a recent 911 call put on
the internet of a woman in Oklahoma whose home was being broken into. The
whole call was heartrending, you could tell this woman did not want to take
a life, but the sheriff was minutes away while the perp was trying to get
into her house. She was forced to shoot the perp when he broke through the
patio door. She was devastated, but at least alive -- that's what the 911
operator kept telling her -- you have to protect yourself. The guy was
high on something and could very easily have killed this woman for a few
bucks to get his next fix.
There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage
Me? Hell no! I carry a Glock 9mm and a .22 BUG (Back-up gun). I've got
either a Glock 10mm or .40 cal stashed in almost every room. We won't even
talk about the car. I've also got some armament that can "reach out and
I live in a fairly backward state (Texas) that won't allow open carry or
guns on campus.
I hold that all citizens should demonstrate acceptable marksmanship before
being allowed to vote or own taxable property and that the laws on
justifiable homicide be relaxed to include people who smell funny.
If you don't want a gun ban then stop using inflammatory rhetoric that makes
you look like the sort of nutcake that the gun control advocates want people
to believe are typical firearms owners. You're playing into a stereotype
And before you say "freedom of speech" consider that every right carries
with it a duty to use that right responsibly.
Because I offered a hint about BUG SPRAY? You raised up on your hinder legs
over BUG SPRAY? You accuse me of outrageous pro-gun comments when we were
talking about BUG SPRAY? Guns weren't mentioned until you brought it up.
Listen up, slick, there's a big difference between a firearm and BUG SPRAY -
even a pro-gun nutter like me knows that. As to stereotype, I don't think
there IS a stereotype for exterminators. Well, Tom Delay excepted.
First, every "right" I have imposes a "duty" on the government, not me. If I
have a right to worship as I please, the state has a duty not to interfere.
If I have a "right" to freedom of speech, the government has a duty to not
impose unreasonable restrictions. For constitutional rights, the methodology
is called "strict scrutiny."
Second, "freedom of speech" (actually the "duty" to not suppress) applies
only to a government entity, not newsgroups.
No, because you continue to mouth off like Johnny Carson parodying a hunter.
You have a duty to use your rights responsibly. Right now with all the
inflammatory rhetoric you are making a fool of yourself, which you are
welcome to do, but you are also serving as an embarrassment to others in
your own camp.
Inflammatory rhetoric? I offered a hint about BUG SPRAY. Nothing
inflammatory about it, unless you want to light up the chemicals. You're the
one who tried to veer the conversation toward guns and duty and rights and
freedom of speech (the last three items about which you evidently know
Now if you are in the same "camp" as I, and you are embarrassed, I suggest
you own the problem, not me.
Jeeze! YOU'RE the one who brought up "freedom of speech." Now you're saying
a topic you initiated is irrelevant!
Since you're so keen on offering unsolicited advice, let's see if you can
take some. Don't torment the alligators.
So you're going to shoot them between the eyes with .44 caliber BUG SPRAY
<wink wink nudge nudge>?
Many who make fools of themselves think that the foolishness is on the part
of those who are laughing at them. When the government decides to repeal
the First Amendment I _will_ be saying "I told you so".
No, its applicability to government, not newsgroups, is irrelevant.
When an alligator shows up I'll bear that in mind.
You're the one who brought up guns. I don't think I can be fairly criticized
for expanding the topic you initiated. If you don't want to be subject to
contrarian views, don't create molehills.
So now it's humor, not embarrassment? You have the attention span of kitten
in a box of packing peanuts. You keep switching emphasis trying, without
hope, to find a topic on which your logic can prevail. Give it up.
Pay attention, slick, the concept of "Freedom of Speech" applies ONLY to the
government. Should you want to express the view that one is unrestrained to
post personal views somewhere, use that phrase, not one owned by the
And I will continue to deny your allegations and damn the alligator.
You clearly are incapable of following a conversation and when it is
suggested to you that your style of argument does more harm than good you
simply go on the attack. I find reviewing your posting history that you
have made one post in the past six months that actually has anything to do
with woodworking. That being the case I'm not wasting any more time on your
bombastic drivel, slick.
True, I've not made many (if any) posts on woodworking. I follow the
conversations here and learn from my betters on the subject. Still, when
some ELSE posts something that is absurd, wrong, or just plain insane, I'm
not about to let it stand unchallenged. I'm sure your research recognized
Now the original topic started off with methods for protection. Someone
suggested bug spray. I agreed. Then, in succession, you brought up guns,
embarrassment, humor, freedom of speech, and the inability to follow a train
of thought. Then, either in a fit of pique or an example of ADD, you
interject that I'm an idiot in a completely unrelated thread.
After knocking on several doors and unable to gain entry to the halls of
knowledge, you give up an retire. Sorry to see you go; it's been fun.
The reasoning behind the wasp spray is that it has a longer range. Don't
need to get as close. The pepper spry is likely more effective ( ever rubbed
your eye without thinking while slicing jalapinos. If you havnt, don't
GHIKT) but has an effective range of about three feet. The wasp spray is
good for ten.
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