Seems to be a religion for some people. For me the RAS has never been as scary as the table saw. I'm happy to have both--gives me options, and if I have one set up for an operation I can use the other one for other work.
Sounds like a winner... Sounded pretty good before. My next saw will probably be a sawstop or similar. My saw is barely broke in though, it's only about 56 years old and should have that much left in her... I did look at a saw stop a few years ago and it looks great, Over priced perhaps, but still looked like a nice saw, even w/o the saw stop stuff. If I were buying a new saw, I'd probably buy one so my kid wouldn't cut off an arm after he inherits my tools... and, the older I get, the more dangerous I get!
Hmmm, I reach around the blade while it's running, running down, thinking about running. Of course, I don't have a blade guard so maybe I pay more attention... Of course as I get older, my attention span is shrinking a little.... What to do, what to do? 50 years of dangerous habits are hard to break:-)
I was pressing "1" for English... (ba-dop, PSSSHH!)
Perhaps we have less time to suffer from the injury so the safety aspect becomes less paramount??
I remember a time people fought seat belts in the cars but, after having them forced on us, they became "second nature". Now we feel insecure without one on. All about habits.
"Jack Stein" wrote in message news:i4bdab$i0i$ snipped-for-privacy@news.eternal-september.org... ... and, the older I get, the more dangerous I get!
OTOH, there is an override switch for use if you're cutting really green wood. I'm still waiting for an accident report where someone forgot they'd used that switch and left it in override.
The saw has been on the market at least 4-5 years, probably closer to 6.
Still being demoed to the manufactureres did not mean that you could not ask questions.
Actually the video illustrates a way to more safely cut the thin strips up to the point that your remaining stock becomes thin it self. Basically if you want to use all of your material to make thin stock you are going to end up with the fence close to the blade eventually. The video and the keeper pieces on the opposite side of the blade does not address cutting 3/4" wide stock into 3~4, 1/8" wide pieces.
The Gripper and "their" splitter addresses this.
The override resets when you turn the motor off, so there's no way to leave it in override.
And voila!, the product didn't sell worth a shit because they were TWICE the price of regular saws. He could have had his product in every saw in the world if he'd been reasonable. Instead of licensing it for a decent price, he wanted full boat for each device. (would you call him a greedy bastid?) You see, as I understand it, he was a speaking weasel (patent atty) first, a woodworker second.
He apparently chose gold and infamy over worldwide saw safety.
And the horse he rode in on...
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IIRC, he first tried to get the government to pass legislation requiring his device on all table saw sold in the US. When that failed he started producing his own table saws.
I don't know where you live but the SawStop out sells Jet, Unisaw, and Powermatic combined at our local Woodcraft in Houston.
Does any one really know what the license would have cost? On the flip side of the coin, IIRC he was not even going to build the saw or compete with the other companies. They chose to not buy the license figuring no one would pay that much for their own safety. Now those other manufacturers are loosing sales to SawStop.
I suspect that the industry could still buy the license however it would naturally be more expensive since SawStop has more to loose now.
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The only thing I will not do in a shop is rip with a radial arm saw.
THAT should be outlawed, IMHO. A board with some internal grain stress can cause a bad situation if it is ripped on a RAS.
IIRC he offered the license and when he was turned down went to the government. Now I am guessing that most the manufacturers wish that they had done otherwise. Anyway probably as a result most manufacturers began offering riving knives and marginally better guards. Now I believe all saws have to have the riving knives.
Imagine the controversy way back when, when the current style guard was introduced and mandated by the government to be use on all saws.... I wonder who the SOB was that came up with that absurd thing ;~)
I had a piece of cedar cause the blade to jump on top and come at me on a cross cut. Scary thing that. I had another piece from the same lot stop the saw dead; also a cross cut. The thing threw a couple of pieces when ripping, too. I trust the table saw a *lot* more. At least the table doesn't flex.
Since when? My 18-month-old Unisaur doesn't have a riving knife. They're still selling them.
Got a cite for the "mandate"?
Lemme see.... 114. Nope, I don't think that'll be a good time to replace my saw. ;-)
As I've said, I just bought a Unisaur last year. I looked at the SawStop but there was no way I was going to spend that sort of money. Perhaps in ten years, when the patent runs out (guessing by the dates thrown around here), I'll buy a new saw with the SawStop feature.
Of course. That was the whole point of the video. I have a mag-switch thingy with a roller on the pointy end for this purpose.
The question was: "What safety rules does _he_ violate in that video?" Reaching around behind the blade was the only thing I saw.
Sure it did; "don't do that!".
We'll see. I ordered a pair. The price was right.
If it's one of the big ones maybe. My 1.5 horse Craftsman just stalls and pops the overload in that situation.
According to one account he wants 3 percent per saw initially increasing to 8 percent as sales increase--I can't see any company in their right mind agreeing to that--normally it's a high charge up front decreasing with volume.
The guy who invented it is a lawyer and he doesn't seem to be able to get out of that mindset.
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