Are you going to claim the above is a LIE ?
In message , whisky-dave writes
Nothing strange about the word employed in the context of the quote from the HSE, it means paying someone to do the job.
Of course Gas Safe don't like to use the word as they prefer to mis-represent the law (and to be fair, lots in the trade genuinely believe it)
Gas Safe have a vested interest here.
And that is probably the point to stop, as you obviously don't want to accept what people here are saying (fair enough). And it's clear from your threads with Rod Speed, that you will just keep on going and going.
There is nothing wrong with Someone Being Wrong on the Internet :-)
That was written for CORGI. When GasSafe replaced CORGI for this function, the HSE would have made the approval.
FFS Dave, just go and read the sodding link I gave you and let's discuss it on the basis of the Act and not some spurious opinions from a trade body.
exist until about 2006.
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Well I've sent an email to them asking to clarify, we'll see what happens. My supplier npower have left two warning noticing in the meter cupbaord.
Nationalgrid metering
WARNING The outlet connection to this meter contains a sealing disc THE REMOVAL OF THE SEALING DISC, CONNECTION, TESTING, PURGING AND COMMISSIO NING OF TEH INSTALLATION PIPEWORK AND APPLIANCES *MUST* BE CARRIED OPUT BY A GAS SAFE REGISTARED INSTALLER
---------------------------------------- SAFETY WARNING You are warned that this gas appliance/installation has been classified IMMEDIATELY DANGEROUS........
This appliance/installation is dangerous and has been disconnected for YOUR SAFETY. It must not be reconnected until a 'GAS SAFE' registared installer has carried out remedial work on the appliance/installation to render it s afe to use. It is an offence to continue using an unsafe appliance/installa tion: DO NOT REMOVE. Are you telling me I can ignore those and work on my pipework.?
And we're back to the one you've already quoted. This isn't law, it's people who have an interest in saying you need to use them.
Cite law please.
It doesn't say it wouldn't be a breach of the law for you do DIY other tasks too, so no, that particular subset isn't. But it doesn't say what you think it does - it doesn't forbid you from DIYing domestic gas work.
The law allows you to change such parts and charge for doing it. Someone like TMH could do so.
In your case no, you aren't competent. You can't be competent as you have never done any gas work and don't have a clue about it. On the other hand I have installed my own boiler and serviced it for 30 years so I am competent to do so. I even have a manometer I made to do the job. I paid for someone to do the last service, I just couldn't be bothered, he had to be gas safe registered.
correct. and niether are you I suspect.
Gas Safe Register only accepts evidence of competence in gas safety such as:
Why did he have to be gas safe registered ?
(etc)
You don't have to be on the Gas Safe Register to be competent.
You don't have to be on the Gas Safe Register to DIY. You do have to be competent.
"Competent" isn't defined further in the law. It's defined further for the Gas Safe Register, but you don't need to be on that to DIY.
Because he would be breaking the law by operating as a company doing gas works. That's what the law says. It doesn't say I couldn't have done it myself.
Doesn't say anything about operating as a company, does it? I think it would apply as much to self-employed sole traders.
You mean a company, as in a business.
But you do if you want to be considered competent with gas.
You don;t need a license to drive a car either.
The safety notice placed on tne meter negates that.
Nope. What I said above was competent with gas. The link you give there is about people employed to work on gas, ie not DIY.
Correct. You can drive one on private land. It's pretty equivalent - you can DIY gas.
I'm not sure what the rules are about the connection to the meter. However I'd not expect that safety notice to recognise that DIY is legal even if it was.
However the fact you've let your gas installation get into a state where it has had a safety notice slapped on it and the meter capped is a hint that you may not be competent.
Which is one way to demonstrate competence and not the only way.
On your own land, quite correct. there's no minimum age for that either.
There are other ways but how do you demonstrate compedence ?
To do DIY gas you do. But as they said on the phone it's a grey area but they expect anyone working on gas to be compedent.
unless you can prove otherwise, of course.
The key here is who is compenet rather than who thinks they are. As I and teh above says it will be up to the courts to decide and tehy will onjly get involved if something goes wrong, and if that is the case then how can that person be thought of as compedent ?
If asked, you could show the steps you took to ensure safety (calculations, leak testing, etc)
Once again, somebody with an interest in disssuading DIY. What they say is not the law.
You're getting closer to the truth there. If it goes bang, you were almost certainly not competent. So if you're DIYing you need to be sure about what you're doing.
Sadly having the work done by a gas-safe bloke doesn't mean it won't go bang.
Wouldn't I have to switch the gas on to do that ?
So are you saying that the notice is a lie and I don;t have to be gas safe to switch the gas back on again.
But what if I got someone in but didn;t pay them to do the work. Rod S uses children (for painting anyway) and if I don't pay the person then is it really true it's not employment and I only have to have compedent people in if I employ them, otherwise anyone can work on gas. I wonder who would be resonsible if something went wrong. Shouldn't take long to find out there'; alsways another gas leak around the corner somewher.
I know, but if the bloke is gas safe and it goes bang I'm assuming he is liable or at fault whereas if I do it or I get someone in to do it for me and I don;t pay them I'm not sure what happens then.
any last thing last night ws I think the gas safe bloke HAS left to gas on going by my sesults and my 'non compednece' of using logic. :)
Should be possible to do leak testing with air.
You're asking a different question there. I don't know what the situation is if your meter has been capped - who's allowed to remove that. On the gas-board side, I'd suggest DIY was a bad move.
Doesn't matter, they still need to be gas-safe.
I did say earlier that if your system was bad enough to get a notice attached to it, that's a hint that you're probably not competent.
Yes, he will be liable. The competent mate lending a hand is a tricky one - I suspect the only way to make that work is to have him assisting you, with you taking responsibility. I have friends I'd trust in such a situation, but many won't. And if you DIY, it's definitely your problem if it goes up.
You think it's still leaking? Ooops :-)
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