I need a few cast iron saw extensions for a project. The SawStop ones claim
to be ground to within .0001. (I will be surprised if they really are, but
Rockler has them for less, but after the heavy freight charge they are much
more expensive to my door.
Woodcraft shows basic shipping as free saving substantially on the net cost.
Other than the 7-10 day lead time per Woodcraft are there any issues with
FYI: This is for a metalworking project, but since the basic frame work
pieces are associated with woodworking tools...
They're a reliable, trustworthy vendor if that's the question. I find
them generally expensive so rarely purchase anything from them but no
reason to avoid them as far as fraud, non-delivery or the like that I've
Thanks. In this case since they calculate free shipping its substantially
cheaper for what I believe is an identical item. (same manufacturer / same
specs) For 4 table leaves Rockler was $22 cheaper, but with the freight
were about $100 more and I am not in a huge hurry. I probably won't have
any time to work on the project for several weeks anyway.
They embody the old retail store value. Remember them from decades ago?
Our local Woodcraft is higher priced than many other store, but they
offer one thing the discounters do not - - - service. For the first time
buyer of a tool, you can get plenty of free advice on how to properly
use it. Advice on how a finish will work. etc. You don't get that at
Amazon or the big box stores.
Many do not need that service and are unwilling to pay for it. That is
why WalMart thrives and most old time department stores closed up 30
On Saturday, November 22, 2014 10:46:02 AM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Boy, do I! And how I miss those stores. 40 years ago San Antonio was stil
l a good sized town, but still a sleepy little blue collar/ranching town in
a lot of ways. We had those little "Mom and Pop" stores everywhere. And
until about 20 years ago, they were still in the out lying areas around us.
I could go into the store I liked and there were about 3 or 4 guys I saw re
gularly, each with a specific set of skills. One guy knew the most about p
ower tools, one guy about all manner of hardware, and one knew most about g
eneral repair items and "new stuff". They wouldn't talk to you on the phon
e except to tell you if that had something in stock. If you had a question
you had to drive over and see them. Sitting here on a cold, rainy Saturda
y morning now, I am reminded of their old Waring 30 cup coffee maker that s
at out on the end of the counter that had a old coffee can with a slit cut
in it marked "coffee fund". I loved those stores... they smelled like rubb
er tool cords and 3in1 oil.
The advent of Builder's Square, Home Depot and all the other big boxes gave
so much more selection and better pricing on the same exact stuff (remembe
r, they weren't always just Chinese importers with store front outlets) tha
t the old hardware stores couldn't hang on.
Sadly, our local Woodcraft is chock full of self important gas bags that gi
ve more wrong information than right. Some are down right f'in idiots, yet
that doesn't give them a second's hesitation of spewing out bullshit. If
they don't know something, they will simply make it up. And these guys are
shameless, if they watch the store video that demos a product, the will ho
ist up their pants and talk about it like the have been using that product
There are a couple of guys that have some particular skills, but they know
ONLY of their chosen hobby. None have ever been in business doing the thin
gs they talk about. None have ever supported themselves as craftsmen doing
the things they speak of with such great authority. None have ever made a
living as tradesmen. They are book and video educated, word of mouth (inc
luding accepting the opinions of their fellow gas bags)educated guys that h
ave little or no practical experience.
Top that off with the fact that I have seen the EXACT hand tools in Harbor
Freight that I saw last time I was there along with the fact they are gener
ally overpriced on everything to begin with, and there is no reason for me
to go in a Woodcraft store. In the last 20 plus years, I have been in the
Woodcraft 3 or 4 times to pick up an item (like a 3/8" pattern cutting rout
er bit) that I couldn't wait for. From my friends that still go over there
to meander around on a slow weekend, they tell me nothing has changed.
That being said, I have talked other guys that have exactly the opposite ex
perience at their local Woodcraft. I think the flavor of the store has a lo
t to do with the fact the are franchises, and the owner has to set the tone
for the attitude of the personnel and the skill level at which they hire.
I agree about their black friday event.
I purchased from them for years never had a problem. They were less on
many back then, then Rockler, but now I find them way higher.
I will be going there today to pick up the Rikon Slow speed grinder as I
need one for my lathes.
Years ago I got a great deal on Jorgensen Cabinet Master clamps from
them. I think they were $14 a piece practically. I bought the max
allowable. Wish I had ordered more and sent them to a friend.
On Fri, 21 Nov 2014 10:44:44 -0700, Bob La Londe wrote:
If you're talking about "SawStop Contractor Table Saw Cast Iron Extension
Wing" Rockler and Woodcraft are the same price as I would expect for
SawStop stuff. Both have an $11 discount on a pair, although I can't see
how to ring that up on Woodcraft.
If Woodcraft is really free shipping, I'd call and see how to get the
discount. If not, they're both reputable companies.
That is a great deal, fantastic deal actually. But I have a pair and
have been less than impressed. Between those and the Cabinet Masters
and the Besseys I reach for those last.
My biggest complaint is that they dent the wood, the Cabinet Masters and
Besseys do not. So each time I do use them on something that matters I
have to place a buffer between the work and the clamp surface. If only
they would make the faces softer....
With the Texas franchise, I interviewed for a part time job but was
offered to manage the store with the opening of one of the stores about
5~6 years ago, the store manager is free to buy outside as he saw fit.
But aside from that Woodcraft has a "Columbian" brand bar clamp that is
identical to the clamps found in HF, with the China stamp in the same place.
I can confirm this with Rockler. They had a hand hole reamer tool,
orange plastic handle with three black, hex shafted bits on closeout.
Unmistakeably the same tool sold by HF. Only difference was there
closeout price was 5x higher than the HF price. I left some clues in the
reviews but they blocked it....
I have bought some things from these retailers that were obvious HF
fodder at a time when their price was good. Years later I'd buy the same
thing from HF on a whim and noticed that the HF contraption was of
poorer finish quality. Examples like a carpenters triangle come to mind.
It may be that some things get inspections and those that qualify as
'perfect' go to the retailers and the cosmetic rejects go to HF.
This happens more than you'd think in every aspect of what we buy. I
bought a pair of Dockers chinos at Casual Male for $45 and a pair of
WalMart whatever brand for $18. Stitch for stitch, they are the same
material from the same factory.
Tools, food, appliances, all have the same things at times. A guy I
know was restoring a 70's vintage Jaguar. He bought some of the parts
at a GM dealer.
Have you visited the Alibaba web site? What do you want to buy? You
can stock a store with whatever you need. Line of screws and fasteners?
Air filters for every model car on the road? Plumbing fittings?
On Saturday, November 22, 2014 7:21:16 PM UTC-6, Larry Blanchard wrote:
The local store here had sets of different marking and layout tools as well
as inexpensive clamps. I purchased these at HF, and soon after saw them i
n Woodcraft when I was teaching wood turning. I used these when turning pe
ns, and at HF they were half the price of Woodcraft. The only difference w
as the color of the plastic box the came in:
I also bought the digital model and it too was half the price of WC, with n
o discernible difference.
I also bought these at HF for $8 and encouraged my students to buy them to
check wall thickness, various marking needs, etc.:
Bought this to keep my miter saw square when cutting complicated crown mold
ings that require me to be as accurate as possible (think flat cut composit
e angles on wide moldings, not upside down and backwards). This was less t
han half price at HF:
Took it to WC when they got them in as I thought I recognized it, and they
were identical down to the markings stamped into the actual metal. Ditto t
his one, except one size smaller:
At one time they had this set that was Chinese made (this link is for examp
le only, this particular set is made in USA) that was $49. I bought mine a
t HF after spending some time in there to find a set that was square for $1
You get the idea. Inexpensive clamps, utility brushes, empty dispensing bo
ttles, cheap rulers, and on an on... the list at one time was quite large.
I thought this one I bought from HF (for less than half the price)
BTW, it's handy even without the digital readout, which is nice because
the power of the battery
will be gone the second time you go to use it.
And don't be too sure about the quality control either.
When I was looking for a new slide rule I checked Woodcraft because I
was having difficulty finding one that was good quality and actually
Probably 1/3 of the Woodcraft squares weren't.
(Yes, I checked and double-checked the engineering squares I used as a
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