I picked up some Ultra Premium Wester Red Cedar colored Penofin for a
douglas fir hammock stand I built. I wanted to read up (in the Flexner
book) on whatever Penofin is, before I apply it. Is it an oil/varnish
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subject lines, you can also read "message bodies," which usually
explain the matter in more detail. In most news readers, you'll find
that if you click the subject line, it will open a window containing
all kinds of great information.
Henceforth, I'm sure you'll find your Usenet experience very much
Glad to help,
Welcome to Usenet, it runs on the same network that has this thing
called the Web on it, on the Web you can try www.google.com, it is
called a search engine, type in Penofin and press the search button, I
am sure that there will be lots to read.
Henceforth, try there before asking here.
btw. try not to top post it is kinda frowned upon in most groups.
I do Google searches before I post to Usenet. These are the things I
knew before posting:
* Penofin is a penetrating oil-based finish.
* The oil is Brazilian Rosewood.
I can find no further information on it which might tell me if it is
solely penetrating oil, or if it an oil/varnish blend, not to mention
finish manufacturers are less than forthcoming with regard to
ingredients. Maybe it *is* just penetrating oil, and maybe that should
be obvious, but I don't know. If it's a dumb question, it would
actually be helpful if someone responded with, "that's a dumb
question, it's just penetrating-oil, you should have known that
because...." Or maybe they'd respond with the opposite... I don't
know, that's why I asked.
I've learned that manufacturers call their finishes by all sorts of
contradictory/misleading names, and that it can be hard to know what
Does everyone have to preface their post with, "I've searched on
Google, but...?" It seems that would get awfully redundant. Also, if
you can find the composition of Penofin from Google search without
undue effort, I'd be happy to learn your search techniques, but I
coudn't find much more information than application tips, marketing
copy, general information, etc.
P.S. As a rule of thumb, I top-post to top-posters, and bottom-post
bottom-posters because it helps to keep the thread consistent, but
that's just my preference -- not the golden rule.
www.google.com, enter "+penofin +ingredients" without quotes, plus sign
means both words must be on the returned page.
6th link down
-------------<cut n paste>--------------
PENOFIN exterior finishes were formulated to safeguard the natural
beauty of wood and to prevent discoloration from the sun's ultraviolent
rays. Penofin resists and retards the bleeding of nails. Two key
ingredients contribute to Penofin's exceptional abilities:
Brazilian Rosewood (Oiticica) Oil provides tough, deep-down moisture
protection while still allowing the wood to "breathe". There's no
surface film to trap moisture... or chip... or peel.
Microscopically fine, transparent oxide pigments inhibit ultraviolent
damage and darkening. They add deep, rich color without hiding the
natural beauty of the grain. Our semi-transparent mist tones mimic the
tones of weathered wood.
------------<end cut n paste>------------
I generally do not look beyond the 2nd page of links returned, will just
revise my search terms.
There endeth todays lesson.
Only if it's a common word (and, of, etc.) that Google excludes. You
also need to put a space between the plus sign and the word. Otherwise
Google will only return results with all the words in typed in.
" + " Searches
Google ignores common words and characters such as "where" and "how", as
well as certain single digits and single letters, because they tend to
slow down your search without improving the results. Google will
indicate if a common word has been excluded by displaying details on the
results page below the search box.
If a common word is essential to getting the results you want, you can
include it by putting a "+" sign in front of it. (Be sure to include a
space before the "+" sign.)
Hey kids, seriously, thanks for the Google tips, but you still haven't
answered the OP's question. First of all he was asking about the red
label, not blue. Second you haven't found anything that says whether or
not Penofin contains varnish resins.
"By precisely combining these and the remaining ingredients, we created
a transparent oil wood finish of unmatched durability and beauty."
Mmmm, remaining ingredients.
Thanks, Froz. I had done that very same search, and saw the very same
links, but the descriptions weren't definitive enough. (Something
like, "100% Brazilian Rosewood Oil" would do it for me.) For instance,
even though both blue and red penofins are BRO-based, obviously,
there's a difference between the two: That's proof in itself that
they're both not just BRO.
Anyway, forget I brought this up. It was a simple little point of
curiousity that I thought someone might be able to settle, since
wreckers tend to do way more research than might be necessary (me
included). If nobody had known it, I thought the thread would die a
lonely little death, and I'd dumbly and happily go out to the garage
and slather the stuff on my hammock stand.
I may call the manufacturer tomorrow and find out if there's varnish
in them thar cans, just to justify the 38 heated replies this simple
little question generated. If I call them, I'll let you know what I
Yeah, I'll bet their customer support folks have all read Flexner and
are able to clarify how their product relates with his taxonomy of oil
based finishes. That's probably question number one on their frequently
asked questions script.
Someone comes here asking a relatively subtle finishing question looking
for an expert answer. God knows that's not what rec.woodworking is for!
Shut them up quick so we can get back to discussing JOAT's sex life and
the latest closeout at the BORG.
Anyway, I've been curious about this question myself, and I haven't
found the answer. So let's hear from someone who actually knows something.
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