If your many posts today are any indication of your UK bretheren's
attitudes, I think the newsgroup is better off without them. We have
enough warts here to go around.
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Ah the patter of the broad brush.
Larry - read what you like. You have a problem with active involvement
- or just a long thread?
The reason many UK names stopped coming in here is on account of some
of the asinine commentary (read the threads) in what was originally
intended as a help forum.
Warts - clealy as I am writing to one, I can but defer.
He might just think it is "tacky" to apply a link in his post when
one can search for it or understand what he meant by mentioning
the other news group. But, the link is:
http://www.thedanielcollection.co.uk/ some very high taste stuff!
An interesting web site - thanks for sharing!
Might I suggest that when a turner is selected from the right
menu the name be either highlighted or presented above the
Have you thought about images that rotate so that the turnings
can be viewed "in the round"?
Thanks for your suggestions - truthfully the first I have received
since either posting.
Your ideas are certainly interesting however in the light of a comment
made in the other ng, and defusing some of the bile, there would appear
to be a problem with bandwidth.
However in the light of comments made by others, including this groups
Mr Fatheree (check the posting for yourself) - and admittedly in the
heat of the pettiness, I wonder why in fact I bother with US visitors
at all. On the face of it - and this is a large brush - more whiners
than those with a genuine interest to see an albeit small private
collection. Or perhaps we are talking about a vocal minority??
If anyone can suggest how I can effectively filter traffic please let
Morris - thanks for your comments which I will certainly reflect upon.
Bandwidth will probably be a problem for some people. An option
to view static images only would be a boon for those with dial-in
access. Still, what better argument for all of the best of (high
bandwidth) technology than access to good art? (-:
People come in all flavors and with all manner of likes and
dislikes - and I've never noticed this much affected by
geographic location. Let me share with you that a thick skin is
essential for comfort in a usenet context; and that it's usually
much easier for /anyone/ to point out what they don't like than
to elucidate the magic of line, rhythm, color, or <whatever> that
makes something beautiful to them.
The best filters are your own appreciation for the work and your
recognition of the wonderful diversity of human perception.
Thanks for you thoughts.
I can see the thread now as I force the neanderthals out of the
woodwork with the promise of access to art at the cost of dragging
themselves into the transistor age! Throw off your shackles - you have
nothing but your chalk boards to lose. Hmm will save that one until
Yes people come in all shapes, sizes, levels of intelligence etc etc.
Why are so many ******** on here then?
Filters - your words are indeed eloquent but at a more basic level I
was seeking to find a way to exclude either individuals or countries.
My school of thought is that it is either that or move to a password
access system. Like I said elsewhere - I dont see why I should make
the collection freely available if all I get back is grief. Not an
equitable arrangement in my book - certainly not one that is attractive
to me currently.
I've never been accused of eloquence before. Wow.
Well, you do have some choices to make. You've invested in a
small museum's worth of interesting turnings (Is that the right
term to use?) - you can either quietly enjoy a private collection
or garner a certain satisfaction is making them available so that
a wider audience can appreciate (or not) some of what you find
beautiful. To share or not to share, that is the question...
I'm not a woodturner and so I'm sure my appreciation is
incomplete. Some of the items in your collection were beautiful
to me - and others weren't. I hope (since you invested your
resources) they're /all/ beautiful to you. When I said "Thanks
for sharing", I meant "Thanks for sharing your entire collection
- for giving me an opportunity to find the beauty that resonated
with something inside me - and for giving me an opportunity to
notice those which, while perhaps technically well-executed, did
not produce the same resonance - AND for giving me an opportunity
to consider these things side by side so that I might have a
chance to create works of my own that may produce similar
resonances in other people. I've had too few such opportunities
in my life.
If I succeed, then you will have played a part in helping me to
create those works. Perhaps you will note the signature and have
the satisfaction of knowing you helped that happen. Perhaps I
will create something that produces a joyous resonance within
you; or perhaps I will pass some resultant insight on to another
woodworker who accomplishes that same end. Perhaps none of these,
but who's to say?
Anything you say or do in public/usenet is likely to produce a
mixed reaction. If you're hoping that everyone will respond in a
single particular way, then a public presentation probably isn't
the right answer for you. The problem with selecting an audience
that you know will provide a single, particular response is that
it's a lot like patting yourself on the back, i.e. minimally
Already you've received this person's thanks, so you've lost the
ability to say that all you've gotten back has been grief. More
than thanks you've received two carefully thought out suggestions
for possible improvement of your collection's presentation.
The quality is subjective - and I have seen work in the US that the
owner described as museum quality and which i would not throw my lose
change into. Speaking to people back in the UK, they knew the turner
and the work - and didnt think it was encumbent on the maker to tell a
prospective purchaser what was and was not "collectible" that is for
him/her/them to determine for themselves. However several of the
pieces we did manage to purchase from under the nose of one of your
largest and most prominent collectors - so I would class them as being
of museum quality.
As to the wider audience comment - you're considered opinion based on
some of the excrement that is being written currently (and its'
owners?) would be?
You mean to say you actually forced yourself to wade through the whole
badly written site? Wow - someone with perseverance. On a less
frivolous note - my pleasure - our pleasure.
No woodturner here either - we just buy pieces that hit us between the
eyes and that is a personal call. Would be interesting to know, off
list, which pieces you particularly like / disliked and why if you are
up for a dialogue. See no reason in providing any further ammunition
for some on here - they do that quite well for themselves and I'm not
sure that I would want opinions on individual pieces based on the
posting quality thus far.
What can I say - when you turn something you really really like and
dont want to let go - send me a picture. Those are the pieces we seek
out - this make sense to you?
Yes I'd forgotten the calibre of some of the postings from my previous
time on here some 2-3 (may even be 4-5) years ago. Shouldn't some of
these people be in bed by 7pm?
Noted - but I'm still after an a*****e filter!
Thanks for the time and consideration that went into your post - happy
to continue offline.
Here was my argument with you. You posted a link to a web page, asked for
criticism, then told the first two people with constructive comments to just
not come back. I didn't think that was appropriate. If you want to try to
make me the bad guy to make yourself feel better, go right ahead.
Perhaps what I should have said is that I would welcome feedback on the
pieces contained within the collection and not what individuals may or
may not like about the site.
To put in perspective, 5,000 visitors in the last two days - am I
really that worried with some of the rabid comments made here, um no.
Clearly the larger and silent majority have a little more perseverance
/ application than has been [largely] evident here - or pehaps are even
turners genuinely interested in lifting their game rather than playing
silly word games online.
No - I dont need to make you out to be the bad guy, people can make
that determination for themselves - or not.
Makes no odds to me either way.
A charmingly naive hope, but utterly unrealistic. When awkward navigational
controls make it difficult for visitors to view the pieces on display, you can
hardly expect to receive only compliments on the artistry, and no brickbats on
the site design.
Or, perhaps, they just get tired of futzing around with non-intuitive
controls, and leave without saying anything.
If it really makes no difference to you, why are you going to such great
lengths to tell us that?
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Despite our initial miscommunication, I have to say that some of the
work presented on your site is spectacular.
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.
"I always wanted to be somebody...I should have been more specific..." - Lily Tomlin
Thanks for the kind words - yes we like all of them immensely and as
they are displayed on pretty much every flat surface in our home, that
is pretty much vital!
If you ever find yourself this way - pleae let me know. Visitors
[usually] welcome by prior arrangement - we also can accommodate and
will be delighted to share the pieces with you first hand. Not an
empty offer as others will attest.
If there are any particular pieces that you would like a larger image
file of - please contact me off list and I will be pleased to help
PS You might want to continue this off-list as it would horrify me to
lose my pompous ass tag or otherwise correct the "inflated ego" status
I am so carefully cultivating.
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