The above (non-commercial) site has just been updated for turners whose work we have purchased during 2004 and where we did not update the site during the year. If you are interested in examples of contemporary turning from largely UK based turners - please feel free to visit. There is a thread currently running in rec.crafts.woodturning ng following post request for "constructive criticism". In the light of the reaction and abundance of "non-constructive" comments - this is not solicited here. I hope that those of you who feel able to wade through the site inadequacies which seem to bother some, will enjoy what you find and derive some inspiration. I would particularly commend the work of Stuart Mortimer and Luc De Roo to you all. Please feel free to contact off or on list. Kind regards and seasonal greetings
Translation: He can't handle criticism. Take a look at that thread, and you'll see what I mean.
-- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
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Oh dear Doug - it would appear you did not extend the professional courtesy of reading the full post - particularly the bit where I specifically did not solicit feedback. And you also chose to make deliberate mention of the ongoing debate - why, or perhaps in itself that gives me the answer. This site is put up as a courtesy to those who want to see what turners outside of the US are producing. It involves me in cost, I gain no revenue - advertising, click through or otherwise and I was not seeking site feedback through what was, at the time, a polite post. Disappointing but I guess to be expected. And now I better understand why some of the UK names no longer participate in these forums.
Funny. You mention yourself in the first post that there is already a thread on this topic in the woodturning ng with "non-constructive" comments. If you didn't want any mention of that thread, why bring it up?
He might just think it is "tacky" to apply a link in his post when one can search for it or understand what he meant by mentioning the other news group. But, the link is:
Why bring it up? Now that IS a tricky one. Let me think. No - don't rush me. Umm ooh I know. Could it be that I was specifically hoping to avoid the degeneration that has characterised the other post. But that would be too obvious surely!
Thanks for your suggestions - truthfully the first I have received since either posting.
Your ideas are certainly interesting however in the light of a comment made in the other ng, and defusing some of the bile, there would appear to be a problem with bandwidth.
However in the light of comments made by others, including this groups Mr Fatheree (check the posting for yourself) - and admittedly in the heat of the pettiness, I wonder why in fact I bother with US visitors at all. On the face of it - and this is a large brush - more whiners than those with a genuine interest to see an albeit small private collection. Or perhaps we are talking about a vocal minority??
If anyone can suggest how I can effectively filter traffic please let me know. Morris - thanks for your comments which I will certainly reflect upon.
Bandwidth will probably be a problem for some people. An option to view static images only would be a boon for those with dial-in access. Still, what better argument for all of the best of (high bandwidth) technology than access to good art? (-:
People come in all flavors and with all manner of likes and dislikes - and I've never noticed this much affected by geographic location. Let me share with you that a thick skin is essential for comfort in a usenet context; and that it's usually much easier for /anyone/ to point out what they don't like than to elucidate the magic of line, rhythm, color, or that makes something beautiful to them.
The best filters are your own appreciation for the work and your recognition of the wonderful diversity of human perception.
I can see the thread now as I force the neanderthals out of the woodwork with the promise of access to art at the cost of dragging themselves into the transistor age! Throw off your shackles - you have nothing but your chalk boards to lose. Hmm will save that one until later.
Yes people come in all shapes, sizes, levels of intelligence etc etc. Why are so many ******** on here then?
Filters - your words are indeed eloquent but at a more basic level I was seeking to find a way to exclude either individuals or countries. My school of thought is that it is either that or move to a password access system. Like I said elsewhere - I dont see why I should make the collection freely available if all I get back is grief. Not an equitable arrangement in my book - certainly not one that is attractive to me currently.
Here was my argument with you. You posted a link to a web page, asked for criticism, then told the first two people with constructive comments to just not come back. I didn't think that was appropriate. If you want to try to make me the bad guy to make yourself feel better, go right ahead.
I think it's very clear that I *did* read the part where you specifically did not solicit feedback, since I speculated on reasons *why* you didn't want any.
Your reality check just bounced, chump. *You* "chose to make deliberate mention" of that ongoing thread in your original post here. Not me. I added my comments to your mention of it, but it was *you* that brought it up.
Codswallop. The primary purpose of the site is obviously to inflate your ego. This of course means that the site is superfluous.
Originally, when you posted on r.c.w., you specifically *did* request feedback. Having received feedback that you didn't like, and apparently unaware that some folks read both groups, you now come here touting your site and requesting that we provide *no* feedback. Interesting. You're evidently either a Usenet newbie, or naive in the extreme, to think that you can post a link to your site and not receive at least a few comments about it.
Perhaps you should work on understanding why your expectations do not conform to reality.
Perhaps your sort of stuffy pretension is looked on with favor on your side of the pond, but it doesn't play quite so well over here. There's a strong egalitarian tradition in the United States, and many Americans delight in sticking pins into pompous, overinflated gasbags just for the enjoyment of watching them sputter around the room. You're providing far more entertainment than you can imagine.
-- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
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Do you walk around with a "Kick Me" sign taped to your arse in real life, too, or just on Usenet?
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Well, you do have some choices to make. You've invested in a small museum's worth of interesting turnings (Is that the right term to use?) - you can either quietly enjoy a private collection or garner a certain satisfaction is making them available so that a wider audience can appreciate (or not) some of what you find beautiful. To share or not to share, that is the question...
I'm not a woodturner and so I'm sure my appreciation is incomplete. Some of the items in your collection were beautiful to me - and others weren't. I hope (since you invested your resources) they're /all/ beautiful to you. When I said "Thanks for sharing", I meant "Thanks for sharing your entire collection
- for giving me an opportunity to find the beauty that resonated with something inside me - and for giving me an opportunity to notice those which, while perhaps technically well-executed, did not produce the same resonance - AND for giving me an opportunity to consider these things side by side so that I might have a chance to create works of my own that may produce similar resonances in other people. I've had too few such opportunities in my life.
If I succeed, then you will have played a part in helping me to create those works. Perhaps you will note the signature and have the satisfaction of knowing you helped that happen. Perhaps I will create something that produces a joyous resonance within you; or perhaps I will pass some resultant insight on to another woodworker who accomplishes that same end. Perhaps none of these, but who's to say?
Anything you say or do in public/usenet is likely to produce a mixed reaction. If you're hoping that everyone will respond in a single particular way, then a public presentation probably isn't the right answer for you. The problem with selecting an audience that you know will provide a single, particular response is that it's a lot like patting yourself on the back, i.e. minimally satisfying.
Already you've received this person's thanks, so you've lost the ability to say that all you've gotten back has been grief. More than thanks you've received two carefully thought out suggestions for possible improvement of your collection's presentation.
Oh dear Doug - how can I possibly thank you for giving me so much proof positive
specifically did
So why bring it up - unless of course you sought to resurrect what I was trying to avoid. You're a bit like a running sore you just cant resist picking at really aren't you.
Ego - with the tripe you put out? Well as the site is, to you, superfluous - dont't visit. I'm sure my ego can withstand the embarassment and knock back.
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Do you find you hurt yourself a lot then. We have a far more tolerant attitude over here, something you would do well to learn from both personally and, on a much larger scale.
You're providing far more entertainment
Stuffy pretension - 10/10 for spelling - but do you actually know what you are talking about? Nothing I have read thus far leads be to believe so. Why is a site that is something other than basic labelled thus? Then again dont bother - I am really not interested in your own, personal, bigoted views. You're a vocal minority of 1 - and its about time you received attention in this proportion. Oh and dont think you can speak for the other 300 million - you're not big enough. Egalitarian - you might like to think so - but really. What ever sport you think that you, nationally (your call this not mine), like to indulge in to cover up your own personal inadequacies I am more than happy to enjoy.
The quality is subjective - and I have seen work in the US that the owner described as museum quality and which i would not throw my lose change into. Speaking to people back in the UK, they knew the turner and the work - and didnt think it was encumbent on the maker to tell a prospective purchaser what was and was not "collectible" that is for him/her/them to determine for themselves. However several of the pieces we did manage to purchase from under the nose of one of your largest and most prominent collectors - so I would class them as being of museum quality. As to the wider audience comment - you're considered opinion based on some of the excrement that is being written currently (and its' owners?) would be?
You mean to say you actually forced yourself to wade through the whole badly written site? Wow - someone with perseverance. On a less frivolous note - my pleasure - our pleasure. No woodturner here either - we just buy pieces that hit us between the eyes and that is a personal call. Would be interesting to know, off list, which pieces you particularly like / disliked and why if you are up for a dialogue. See no reason in providing any further ammunition for some on here - they do that quite well for themselves and I'm not sure that I would want opinions on individual pieces based on the posting quality thus far.
What can I say - when you turn something you really really like and dont want to let go - send me a picture. Those are the pieces we seek out - this make sense to you?
Yes I'd forgotten the calibre of some of the postings from my previous time on here some 2-3 (may even be 4-5) years ago. Shouldn't some of these people be in bed by 7pm?
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Noted - but I'm still after an a*****e filter!
Thanks for the time and consideration that went into your post - happy to continue offline.
My mistake. Perhaps what I should have said is that I would welcome feedback on the pieces contained within the collection and not what individuals may or may not like about the site. To put in perspective, 5,000 visitors in the last two days - am I really that worried with some of the rabid comments made here, um no. Clearly the larger and silent majority have a little more perseverance / application than has been [largely] evident here - or pehaps are even turners genuinely interested in lifting their game rather than playing silly word games online. No - I dont need to make you out to be the bad guy, people can make that determination for themselves - or not. Makes no odds to me either way.
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