Storage Shed

Thanks Lew. I think I still might need a permit here in NC. I need to look into this (probably depends on the size?).

I did not need a permit, but did need the permission of the HOA, don't for get those guys. Our HOA made a neighbor tear his down because it was 10' tall.

Ask your average framer to build a chest of drawers and ask a fine furniture maker to build a shed.

Which do you think is going to turn out better?

In news:QZhkm.538$ snipped-for-privacy@nwrddc01.gnilink.net, Lew Hodgett dropped this bit of wisdom:

Would you believe??

Poured a concrete foundation and plopped a 10X13 shed on it.

No permit cause this is a really small town.

Town fathers got real upset about an 18" drain a couple of us installed.

Told them to "pound salt" and they did. No one noticed or cared about = the shed.

BTB 8X12 shed?? One can never have a big enough shed. Thought mine was till I got a garden tractor.

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----------------------------------------------- Thanks Lew. I think I still might need a permit here in NC. I need to look into this (probably depends on the size?).

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Unless you need a "Fix" by building a shed, probably less money and a whole lot less hassle to buy a shed from one of these outfits that specialize in sheds.

They already know how to minimize the legal stuff.

Have fun.

Lew

We have a 9X12 shed on blocks that went through Hurricane Ike. It survived because of the hurricane ties. The track passed over our street. No damage other than trees in the yard.

I know where you are going here but we are talking about inside and outside projects. They both peresent a totally different set of problems. Typically furniture does not have to be protected from wind, rain, direct sunshine, critters, bugs, etc. Answering your question, the farmers chest of drawers will not look as nice today, it will look 100 times better than the furniture builders shed, 30 years from now.

Just some general comments. I would make the shed the largest permitted with out a building permit. The point being junk expands to fill the space and you never have enough space.

My John Deere LT155 is 41 inches wide and 68" long, if you have a similar tractor it would fit in nicely in the 8 X 12. I have a lawn trailer that I standing on end in front of the tractor. fits nicely in my 8X10 shed.

I would go for the gambrel roof as it will give you overhead storage for small boxes, small parts, and other small pieces of equipment, and millions of other items. I have a gabled roof but still store all of the handled implements (shovel,hoe, rake, etc.) in the rafters.

While my tractor fits into the 8 foot wide shed, It would be nice to have it a little wider, as it would give me a whole wall for shelves.

Please.

I'm thinking you just like to argue. :-)

Pot kettle black much?

"His average shed (their best seller) was an 8X10, and at the end of the job he had less than a wheelbarrow of scrap left. To me, that was a thing of beauty. "

There is a bit of conceit displayed by the fellow who saw no difference nor difficulty between the talents and experience required of a Malloof and an experienced Rough Carpenter and presumed a seamless from the one to the other.

I did appreciate the musical references, however - Pianos, Marimbas and Tubas!

The OP wasn't much help.

He needs to look outside Lowes/Home Depot (or equivalents) to see the ready to install sheds they offer and the several plan books displayed on their respective magazine racks inside and maybe Google for "FREE SHED PLANS," before coming to us for "advice."

As one here politely put it "Function, fellow? Form follows and advice may follow that."

In my explorations of the subject over the years I have learned many tricks of the Shed building trade, well, stumbled upon most - well, erred into many. One I recall liking was to anticipate the finished wall sections and apply the sheathing before raising each section - allowing the sheating on the one section to over lap the studs sufficiently to cover the edge of the flush-sided wall section to which it was (to be) attached.

Framing for a cupola w/o plans was an interesting project on one shed as was a "pole barn" approach taken on another only to switch approaches mid-shed and pour concrete and build stud walls.

I've never built to a set of plans, now that I think of it. It seems that my projects are materials driven - at least initially. I have a surplus of tongue and groove 2 x 6" PT (got for ten bucks from HD one day) and wound up with a 6 ft x 8 ft vinyl-sided, shingle-roofed, three window, shed with electric (inside and out) and a steel 3-0 front door with a semi-circle lite and a front "stoop!"

I build with the techniques I know and they are not always most appropriate to the task(s) at hand.

I replaced the front pads on the girl friend's Toyota with great difficulty on the left side and none when attacking the other wheel.

The difference? It was lunch time and a friend and professional mechanic stopped by and asked "Why aren't you removing that first?"

He, you see, was privy to the Toyota repair manuals - I was not.

A real Furniture Maker is not afraid to ask questions.

I'm not certain, from that statement, which side you're taking. :-)

That's a trick borrowed from the house building trade. You can put the windows in while it's flat on the deck, too, if your windows have those neat nailing flaps all around the perimeter.

Did he ask you how to take the wheel off? :-p

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Holy crap, look what we have here. It's the great hypercritic of newsgroups.=A0

The level of arrogance you display by claiming to know what I did before posting here is stupendous.

I specifically requested info from anyone with experience with any shed plans that they have "tried". =A0Do you have a reading comprehension problem? =A0=A0 =A0

Where is your advice that addresses my post? What plans have you tried? Where are your CAD drawings? =A0

All of that and you never addressed my post. =A0Have tried any shed plans? Where are your CAD drawings? =A0

This seems to fly in the face of your above commentary.=A0

That isn't the first time he has run his mouth without his brain attached.

He absolutely does. He has proven this repeatedly.

Heh, heh. Alright, calm down. Hoosier is not only an idiot, but a first class moron. He cannot read for comprehension because he doesn't know how.

He quoted ME on the "thing of beauty". Yet in his abject stupidity, the little voices in his damaged brain told him that I compared my shed guy to Malloof [sic]. Not only did I NOT compare my shed guy to , especially not someone named Malloof. I am wondering if he is showing of his stupidity once again, misspelling Sam Maloof's name. If so, I got it! You are an idiot HP! I guess we should be lucky he go close, because if he had put Kruschev, I would have never guessed Krenov.

For crying out loud, he flat out makes things up which can easily be proven wrong by reading up a couple of posts. But in his idiotic pontificating, once he gets started he can't even make a valid point of comparison since he doesn't know the name of the people he is comparing. And of all the people to compare someone to; I defy anyone here to find me anything snobbish, rude or judgmental Sam Maloof has said about a fellow craftsman, or anyone else for that matter. SM is the antithesis of the high toned, pseudo intellectual eccentric that many craftsman hold as their own image.

Jeezus... I would think that if you are going to fabricate something to sell as a valid comparison, you would at least find someone to misquote or lie about that will make your point a little better.

GW, he had this same attack of know it all diarrhea a month of so ago when I posted comments about my first hands on look at a Saw Stop saw. Totally missed the boat on the post, probably didn't read it because it had too many big words, made stupid things up as comments, but was really proud of himself for his own lack of reading comprehension. Someway, his brain seems to fill in a lot of the blank spots in his ability to comprehend the written word.

And BTW, I would not be embarrassed or wrong headed to compare my shed building buddy to any craftsman. He has no elitist air about him, nor any conceit. I like that. Building sheds is not all he does; but he is so good at it he does it whenever he needs fill work. He is enormously talented, but will do anything to feed his family.

I will always appreciate a well practiced, sure hand on the tools no matter the task. I like the fact that his day in and day out accuracy is so good that they don't order one stick more of material than they need to. I admire the fact that he turns out a great product with no snobbery as to what project is paying the bills for his family. His level of craftsmanship is no less tedious than when he is building a cabinet.

So I wonder; what does that make me if I admire a man for his own personal set of standards for workmanship that are far beyond the people he works for?

What does that make me if he doesn't compromise his own personal integrity or dedication to the task, no matter the task be it a kitchen full of cabinets or shed?

How should I think of myself when I look at his finished project and think "man.. that really came out nice! Pretty damn tight work for a shed!".

Conceited, I guess.

Strange too, to me. In 35 years in the trades, the very talented, the best of the best at what they do are the most humble. They are usually the type that will ask about ANYTHING the don't know. Someone called it learning... after all, you can't know everything.

I think of it as appreciating the skills of others. They ask questions without fear of without guile. They are so high above their chosen trade that they take their skills for granted.

Yet, even at their high level at doing it is they do (transmission mechanic, woodturner, boat builder, etc.), they want to get better. They ask questions. They are not afraid to learn from others.

Reading HP's posts really tell a lot about what a tiny, petty little man he is in life. Sad, really.

But I do wish he would learn to read. OK, and comprehend. Oh yeah, one more thing; not to put words in the mouths of other people.

Robert

Robert, you are sometimes (actually, most of the time) a joy to read. Whether it's walking a newbie through finishing or tossing out a few nuggets on whatever topic strikes your fancy, I always take the time to sit down and digest whatever it is you have to say.

I'm not sure if you're better when you're pissed off or not; probably not, but the extra passion sure gives your post a bit of a 'zing'.

Don't stop posting.

Tanus

Well Hell yeah! he's a Texan.

There is no cure for that is there?

Lew

Absolutely not! I have tried to drown it out with brisket and bourbon, sausage and beer, even a good cigar and margarita. No luck yet. Maybe I have to hit those ingredients a little harder...

But alas... I think it must be something in the water around here! These were made by my fellow Texans. Absolutely NO ONE enjoys ribbing a Texan like a fellow Texan. Take a these are one minute each, and I promise you will groan.

Fellow Texans will laugh their asses off! The stereotypes are too funny!

You are on the right track, keep work'in at it.

You got water in Texas.

I thought all you had were long necks.

On Aug 25, 9:56=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" wrote: > BUD LIGHT!!! Yea Gads, tell me it's not true.

Figures.

Luigi